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Old 12-26-2012, 03:02   #26
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What's really funny was there was no National guard till at least 100 years after the BOR was written.
The National Guard system was created after the Civil War to ensure that the Federal government and not the States controlled the military forces. Pretty hard for a State to wage war on the Fed when their military forces all answer to and are equipped by the Federal government. Just part of the slow subjugation of the States to the Fed.
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Old 12-26-2012, 03:09   #27
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The National Guard system was created after the Civil War to ensure that the Federal government and not the States controlled the military forces.
NG system was created in 1903.
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Old 12-26-2012, 04:28   #28
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NG system was created in 1903.
All else being worthy of discussion, I do believe that's "after the Civil War"
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Old 12-26-2012, 05:44   #29
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You sir are right.


"Since the recent school shooting, there is a daily op-ed piece that purports to spell out what the 2nd Amendment means. Many writers wax poetic about the tragedy and how the amendment is being misinterpreted by the NRA.

Here is the cold hard fact: the militia is NOT a governmental body. This amendment was included in the Bill of Rights because some signatories felt there were issues that needed to be spelled out, in detail. They feared that the federal government would overstep its bounds, and there needed to be a check in place to prevent that. The militia was never intended to be answerable to the federals. The National Guard is NOT the militia, contrary to what little the writer knows on this subject.

And the "well regulated" has nothing to do with the federal government putting restrictions on the militia. Regulations were lists or codes drawn up by militia bodies, as to acceptable behavior, the maintenance of equipment, and what training and equipment militiamen were expected to have.

The repeated calls for bans on semi-auto, "military style" rifles? According the amendment, militia men are to be equipped with military arms. Does that mean cannons and anti-aircraft missiles? YES. Do most private organizations have the wherewithal to purchase such weapons? No. But certainly mortars and portable rockets would be within their reach. They were not intended to be a standing army, but a less formal organization, to show up on short notice. More like Apaches, Sioux, or Viet Cong, less like the First Infantry Division.

Sound crazy? Remember, militia men would still be subject to local laws and civil litigation if they misbehaved. And regulations would require those militia arms to be kept secure until such time as they were needed, not stashed under a bed or in a car trunk.

This goes beyond any SCOTUS ruling. Politicians and special interest groups, that think they can simply OUTLAW violence, will be around for a long time. But the Bill of Rights was written for a specific purpose. If one believes that narrow interpretation of the 2nd Amendment will further their political agendas, remember, the other amendments can be re-interpreted along the same lines. It's been said that people should only be able to purchase muskets, in line with the 18th century, so it's not a stretch to say that the First Amendment only applies o printed or spoken words, and not he internet. Or that quartering troops does not apply to paramilitary organizations. Or that trial without cross-examination of witnesses or evidence should be acceptable. Short term interests will be the undoing of our country if such is the case." RonMcDonald
That is incredibly well written. It maybe the best, most concise statement on the Second that I've seen.
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Old 12-26-2012, 05:45   #30
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All else being worthy of discussion, I do believe that's "after the Civil War"
Yeah. Thirty-nine years after the CW, after the so-called "Indian Wars" and the Spanish-American War.

And I bet it was really a way to get a better grip on the Teddy Roosevelt/Rough Rider types and end semi-private volunteer regiments from forming and horning in on the glory of the standing professional military.

You can't chalk up any political brownie points if you as a professional commanding officer gets upstaged by a wild, rowdy upstart volunteer whom you have no real control over.
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