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Old 12-25-2012, 09:01   #141
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I already usually carry guns with low capacity magazines, like a single-stack .380 or a revolver. However, if the higher capacity guns are restricted to 10 rounds, then I'd definitely carry a more powerful caliber like .40, .45 or 10mm at times when I currently carry something like my Browning Hi Power or Glock 17.

I'd keep the 9mm's for the range and competition.
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Old 12-25-2012, 09:01   #142
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So, a majority of the debate in 9mm vs 45acp comes to capacity vs power. I know there are other arguments, but that's what I hear the most. So my question is, if a 10 round magazine limit is instated, will you switch to 40sw or 45acp or stay with 9mm in handguns that can hold 10 in either caliber?

I am kind of leaning that, if I can only have 10, I might as well have the biggest 10 I can.
10mm G29 is 10 rounds anyway
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Old 12-25-2012, 10:11   #143
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@carbuncle, if you ever thought of competition the g34 is the real deal. Out of the box,great for most of us. Just a few dollars will turn it into championship pistol.

Matchs are also lots of fun. Can get your adrenaline titer up.
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Old 12-25-2012, 10:23   #144
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Of course, if we shift focus from 7 page threads on GT, and ALL of us Emailed our congresscritters telling them they had damn well better NOT support such legislation, it would be a better use of our time.
That is absolutely the very best action all of us can take, and it only takes the same amount of time as posting one comment on Glock Talk.

The Radical Left has millions of indoctrinated collectivist robo-callers/advocates, thanks to the Teachers Unions and negligent parents. They're advocating every day on behalf of neo-Stalinists regarding any number of issues and proposals that extend State control over the individual. Yet so many of us raised with a sacred respect for the US Constitution and the Founders' vision of individual rights and responsibilities are too lazy to vote or even e-mail our elected representatives about our alleged concerns over losing our rights.

Right now --- today --- the collectivists are sending out millions of Tweets and messages on Facebook trashing individual rights and advocating for federal laws that void the Second Amendment, our right to "choose" and individual "self-determination". What are you doing today?
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The larger magazine capacity, for me, is a major selling point for using 9mm. Assuming there is a grandfather clause, it wouldn't affect me because I'm well invested in the 9mm platform and have plenty of mags. If I were a new shooter just getting started in a post-ban era, I would probably go with .45 acp. Hard to say without digging into it more, but it's an interesting question. I'd bet we would see a decline in 9mm post-ban.
Lord Feinstein said that there will be no grandfather clause this time around. Of course, what she says now and what we wind up with later are two different things. I rather believe they all know the futility of what they are trying to accomplish if the don't make a ban with out a grandfather clause and don't make it retroactive.
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Old 12-25-2012, 11:38   #146
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There won't be a ban so it's nothing to worry about.

In a fantasy land with the 1994 style AWB re-eneacted, I have enough magazines I still won't have to worry about it.

Besides, my daily carry 9mm uses a 10 round magazine (Glock 26)


Can we stop the chicken little/sky is falling 'we've already lost our rights might as well accept it bull**** yet?
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Old 12-25-2012, 11:43   #147
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Sticking with my 15 and 20 round mags for the EDC G-20.
Regardless of what they do.

Of course, if we shift focus from 7 page threads on GT, and ALL of us Emailed our congresscritters telling them they had damn well better NOT support such legislation, it would be a better use of our time.
You are living in la-la land. Look what just happened in the recent election??!! I could write Feinstein & Boxer until my fingers fell off, isn't going to change their votes, not one. Most people put their liberal reps BACK into office. Many so called libertarian or even a few Dems, call them selves conservative on guns & then vote these same morons back into office! Pick a frickin side. If you are pro gun, you can NOT be a Dem. Just like you can not be a Catholic & be pro choice. That's wanting the cake & eating it too. That is 100% devoid of principle. SO yeah, write your idiot liberal Rep & see what happens. Talk about a waste of time & energy.
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Old 12-25-2012, 11:54   #148
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You are living in la-la land. Look what just happened in the recent election??!! I could write Feinstein & Boxer until my fingers fell off, isn't going to change their votes, not one. Most people put their liberal reps BACK into office. Many so called libertarian or even a few Dems, call them selves conservative on guns & then vote these same morons back into office! Pick a frickin side. If you are pro gun, you can NOT be a Dem. Just like you can not be a Catholic & be pro choice. That's wanting the cake & eating it too. That is 100% devoid of principle. SO yeah, write your idiot liberal Rep & see what happens. Talk about a waste of time & energy.
I didn't realize you lived in California. That sucks.

PS: You can be pro-gun and vote Democrat. Not everybody votes solely based on gun rights/2A rights.

By your logic I cannot vote Republican because I support gay marriage.
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There won't be a ban so it's nothing to worry about.

In a fantasy land with the 1994 style AWB re-eneacted, I have enough magazines I still won't have to worry about it.

Besides, my daily carry 9mm uses a 10 round magazine (Glock 26)


Can we stop the chicken little/sky is falling 'we've already lost our rights might as well accept it bull**** yet?
Really, now there is a guy hiding his head in the sand.

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By your logic I cannot vote Republican because I support gay marriage.
No it;s not s single issue thing it's a mind set. To vote Dem & say you are pro gun is like being Catholic & saying you are pro choice. You can NOT be married to both religions. So yeah, IMO, voting Dem & being pro gun is kidding yourself. You can't call youreself a vegan & eat meat. Same thing. Pick a frickin side. IMO, all liberals should show their solidarity & turn in their guns. It is a philosphy w/ liberals, you can't in good concience have it both ways, but I know, it's a liberal thing to do. Like they think they can spend their way out of debt. I could go on & on & on about the liberal mind set, but hey, it's Christmas. Then again, another thing liberals want & have changed.
BTW, the conservative move against gays is not so much Rebuplican as it is religious. I am not religious, so I don't really care either way & I still vote Republcican because the result of not voting that way is Obama & his ilk, $16T in debt & 8% permanant unemployement. Socialism doesn;t work anywhere, but liberals want it here.
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Old 12-25-2012, 11:57   #150
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What makes me think so? The same things that made me think this 4 years ago when everybody said there would be new bans after Obama was elected the first time.
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There won't be a ban so it's nothing to worry about.

In a fantasy land with the 1994 style AWB re-eneacted, I have enough magazines I still won't have to worry about it.

Besides, my daily carry 9mm uses a 10 round magazine (Glock 26)


Can we stop the chicken little/sky is falling 'we've already lost our rights might as well accept it bull**** yet?
What pray tell, is the point of having all these magazines if you don't get a grandfather exemption and it's a felony to own or use them? You know, it took 1994 to end the fantasy land you speak of and then 2004 to get all the way out of the fantasy again. What Mrs. Feinstein has in mind for the next showing of Fantasy Island is much, much worse and comprehensive than the last. I was reading through this and I saw that you are a Democrat. I was once as well but that's neither here nor there. What is here nor there is the fact that the only thing that may hold this thing up a while is the House and the House, isn't exactly on strong footing with respect to ANYTHING. We're in a precarious situation as gun owners here. Laughing this off isn't a wise course of action. Kay Bailey Hutchison? Republican senator from Texas? She's on board with a magazine restriction as are a few others. NOT GOOD.
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No doubt the gun grabbers will learn from the last AWB and make "improvements" to this one.

Expect no expiration on the new ban, as well as excluding the allowable "post ban" models we had under the last one.
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Old 12-25-2012, 16:43   #153
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Living in Kommifornia, we have been stuck w/ 10+1 for some time. My XD45c is the same size as a G19, same round count out here. When, not if, we return to the AWB & 10rd mags, you'll see a significant drop in full size guns being sold. It happened last time. That was when the compct boom started. Why carry a G17 w/ 10+1, when you can carry a G26, etc. If you can shoot a larger caliber, round count will no longer be a deciding factor.
IMO, start planning for it, the AWB will be a permanent law next year. I hate to say I told you, but for all those that just had to vote their conscious instead of Romney. PBO was just waiting for something like this to happen so they could capitalize on it & they will. So now we get a more severe gun control & a crappy Euro style economy. Thank a liberal or libertarian for this one.





Double exactly - the low information voter (aka uninformed) are taking us all down the European sewer. It all starts with the liberals controlling the education of our children and now my grandchildren. It has taken 2 generations to get us here now the question is can the country recover?
Triple exactly. You are a man of experience being from California.
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Old 12-25-2012, 17:53   #154
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I'm a bit dismayed at the defeatist attitude here.

My prediction: No ban of ANY kind will happen.

I'm not changing anything.
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Old 12-25-2012, 18:17   #155
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There was no grandfathering in Hawaii
10 rounds on handguns.

Possesion of a hi cap = mistermenor
Possion of a loaded hi cap = class C felony
Hi cap loaded and inserted in the gun = class B felony
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There was no grandfathering in Hawaii
10 rounds on handguns.

Possesion of a hi cap = mistermenor
Possion of a loaded hi cap = class C felony
Hi cap loaded and inserted in the gun = class B felony
Thank God that much of the country is nothing like Hawaii
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...IMO, start planning for it, the AWB will be a permanent law next year. ... So now we get a more severe gun control & a crappy Euro style economy. Thank a liberal or libertarian for this one.
I might remind you that the Libertarian party is for significantly less government intrusion and control ... "coin money, deliver the mail, maintain an army" ... pie-in-the-sky, I know, but certainly not Democratic thinking ...
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I might remind you that the Libertarian party is for significantly less government intrusion and control ... "coin money, deliver the mail, maintain an army" ... pie-in-the-sky, I know, but certainly not Democratic thinking ...
Oh, preaching to the choire, but they can NOT win a major position so they are near useless & only fragment the two party system so morons like Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Boxer, Reed, etc, etc are still running things. I am all for a principle vote, I don't tow the Republican line, but they can win & they can keep socialist sympathisers out of office.
Defeatest, sure, look what just happened in Nov. How does anyone take away a positive line from that debacle of an election? Once the hook is set, there is little chance of over turning bad laws. Oh I'll continue to fight the fight, but really, who is going to risk a felony conviction & total loss of ones freeedom for a 15 rd magazine? It is a principle w/ me, I don't need a 15rd Glock to be effective in a fight. It's just if you let the bastards get a toe hold, they will continue until all guns are banned. It's happened in many other countries, often after such a tragedy. So we have to be vigilant & out spoken & try to explain to the non gun people facts from fiction.
I am not a big fan of LaPierre, I think he is a poor spokesman for the NRA, but he was right, "only thing that stops a bad guy w/ a gun is a good guy w/ a gun". I vote, I volunteer for canidates but you can't beat the media blitz of lies & non information that is being spewed by the media. Obama shouldn't have been re elected. He should now be impeached for F&F & the Libya mess, but the media won't cover it, so no one cares. What he & his admin are doing to this country's economy should be grounda for jail time on treason. Really, my god, $16.3T in debt, how do we ever come back from that? By the time he is out of office, $21T easy. That can NEVER be reduced significantly by taxation, never. I know, I know, facts are boring things & liberals hate facts, but there it is.
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What makes me think so? The same things that made me think this 4 years ago when everybody said there would be new bans after Obama was elected the first time.
Except he wanted to be re elected, mission accomplished. So what is to stop him WARP? You guys gave him a "mandate", at least he thinks that. He can propose & get anything hw wants passed w/ a liberal media supporting him, BTW, how he got re elected. The avg person is too disengaged to find out facts for themselves so will be lead by their corrupt & ignorant "leaders". he may be your president, but not mine. I hope you are right, but past exp tells me it's coming, maybe not this year, the fiscal cliff that OBAMA & the libs in the senate have created is kind of a bigger issue, but it will come sooner than later. Why do you think he is "demanding" proposals by the end of JAN? He wants those dead children still fresh in everyones minds. Yeah, sounds ugly, but that is Chicago politics baby.
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Back on topic, if I could only have 10 rounds, it'd be a
G29 which I want anyway. I hope I don't become a felon.
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