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Old 12-25-2012, 12:49   #151
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There won't be a ban so it's nothing to worry about.

In a fantasy land with the 1994 style AWB re-eneacted, I have enough magazines I still won't have to worry about it.

Besides, my daily carry 9mm uses a 10 round magazine (Glock 26)


Can we stop the chicken little/sky is falling 'we've already lost our rights might as well accept it bull**** yet?
What pray tell, is the point of having all these magazines if you don't get a grandfather exemption and it's a felony to own or use them? You know, it took 1994 to end the fantasy land you speak of and then 2004 to get all the way out of the fantasy again. What Mrs. Feinstein has in mind for the next showing of Fantasy Island is much, much worse and comprehensive than the last. I was reading through this and I saw that you are a Democrat. I was once as well but that's neither here nor there. What is here nor there is the fact that the only thing that may hold this thing up a while is the House and the House, isn't exactly on strong footing with respect to ANYTHING. We're in a precarious situation as gun owners here. Laughing this off isn't a wise course of action. Kay Bailey Hutchison? Republican senator from Texas? She's on board with a magazine restriction as are a few others. NOT GOOD.
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Old 12-25-2012, 13:42   #152
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No doubt the gun grabbers will learn from the last AWB and make "improvements" to this one.

Expect no expiration on the new ban, as well as excluding the allowable "post ban" models we had under the last one.
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Old 12-25-2012, 15:43   #153
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Living in Kommifornia, we have been stuck w/ 10+1 for some time. My XD45c is the same size as a G19, same round count out here. When, not if, we return to the AWB & 10rd mags, you'll see a significant drop in full size guns being sold. It happened last time. That was when the compct boom started. Why carry a G17 w/ 10+1, when you can carry a G26, etc. If you can shoot a larger caliber, round count will no longer be a deciding factor.
IMO, start planning for it, the AWB will be a permanent law next year. I hate to say I told you, but for all those that just had to vote their conscious instead of Romney. PBO was just waiting for something like this to happen so they could capitalize on it & they will. So now we get a more severe gun control & a crappy Euro style economy. Thank a liberal or libertarian for this one.





Double exactly - the low information voter (aka uninformed) are taking us all down the European sewer. It all starts with the liberals controlling the education of our children and now my grandchildren. It has taken 2 generations to get us here now the question is can the country recover?
Triple exactly. You are a man of experience being from California.
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Old 12-25-2012, 16:53   #154
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I'm a bit dismayed at the defeatist attitude here.

My prediction: No ban of ANY kind will happen.

I'm not changing anything.
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Old 12-25-2012, 17:17   #155
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There was no grandfathering in Hawaii
10 rounds on handguns.

Possesion of a hi cap = mistermenor
Possion of a loaded hi cap = class C felony
Hi cap loaded and inserted in the gun = class B felony
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Old 12-25-2012, 17:19   #156
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There was no grandfathering in Hawaii
10 rounds on handguns.

Possesion of a hi cap = mistermenor
Possion of a loaded hi cap = class C felony
Hi cap loaded and inserted in the gun = class B felony
Thank God that much of the country is nothing like Hawaii
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Old 12-25-2012, 17:24   #157
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...IMO, start planning for it, the AWB will be a permanent law next year. ... So now we get a more severe gun control & a crappy Euro style economy. Thank a liberal or libertarian for this one.
I might remind you that the Libertarian party is for significantly less government intrusion and control ... "coin money, deliver the mail, maintain an army" ... pie-in-the-sky, I know, but certainly not Democratic thinking ...
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Old 12-25-2012, 18:18   #158
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I might remind you that the Libertarian party is for significantly less government intrusion and control ... "coin money, deliver the mail, maintain an army" ... pie-in-the-sky, I know, but certainly not Democratic thinking ...
Oh, preaching to the choire, but they can NOT win a major position so they are near useless & only fragment the two party system so morons like Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Boxer, Reed, etc, etc are still running things. I am all for a principle vote, I don't tow the Republican line, but they can win & they can keep socialist sympathisers out of office.
Defeatest, sure, look what just happened in Nov. How does anyone take away a positive line from that debacle of an election? Once the hook is set, there is little chance of over turning bad laws. Oh I'll continue to fight the fight, but really, who is going to risk a felony conviction & total loss of ones freeedom for a 15 rd magazine? It is a principle w/ me, I don't need a 15rd Glock to be effective in a fight. It's just if you let the bastards get a toe hold, they will continue until all guns are banned. It's happened in many other countries, often after such a tragedy. So we have to be vigilant & out spoken & try to explain to the non gun people facts from fiction.
I am not a big fan of LaPierre, I think he is a poor spokesman for the NRA, but he was right, "only thing that stops a bad guy w/ a gun is a good guy w/ a gun". I vote, I volunteer for canidates but you can't beat the media blitz of lies & non information that is being spewed by the media. Obama shouldn't have been re elected. He should now be impeached for F&F & the Libya mess, but the media won't cover it, so no one cares. What he & his admin are doing to this country's economy should be grounda for jail time on treason. Really, my god, $16.3T in debt, how do we ever come back from that? By the time he is out of office, $21T easy. That can NEVER be reduced significantly by taxation, never. I know, I know, facts are boring things & liberals hate facts, but there it is.
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Old 12-25-2012, 18:25   #159
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What makes me think so? The same things that made me think this 4 years ago when everybody said there would be new bans after Obama was elected the first time.
Except he wanted to be re elected, mission accomplished. So what is to stop him WARP? You guys gave him a "mandate", at least he thinks that. He can propose & get anything hw wants passed w/ a liberal media supporting him, BTW, how he got re elected. The avg person is too disengaged to find out facts for themselves so will be lead by their corrupt & ignorant "leaders". he may be your president, but not mine. I hope you are right, but past exp tells me it's coming, maybe not this year, the fiscal cliff that OBAMA & the libs in the senate have created is kind of a bigger issue, but it will come sooner than later. Why do you think he is "demanding" proposals by the end of JAN? He wants those dead children still fresh in everyones minds. Yeah, sounds ugly, but that is Chicago politics baby.
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Old 12-25-2012, 18:36   #160
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Back on topic, if I could only have 10 rounds, it'd be a
G29 which I want anyway. I hope I don't become a felon.
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Old 12-25-2012, 18:47   #161
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Old 12-25-2012, 18:52   #162
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I changed from .40 to 9mm for EDC about 6 months ago. Since the 9 I carry is a Kahr, I don't see that changing any time soon.
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Old 12-25-2012, 19:33   #163
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@carbuncle, if you ever thought of competition the g34 is the real deal. Out of the box,great for most of us. Just a few dollars will turn it into championship pistol.

Matchs are also lots of fun. Can get your adrenaline titer up.
Thanks, that's exactly what I'm think of: I'd like to get into competitive shooting in the next couple of years.

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Old 12-25-2012, 19:47   #164
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If the opportunity arises that a .45 and my budget permit, I'd try a .45.

I'd rather have 10 rounds of 9mm than, say, 7 rounds of .45. When all is said and done, and ballistics are minutely disected ad infinitum, I just feel that shot placement is >90% of the equation.
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Old 12-25-2012, 20:28   #165
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Glock 22 and 27 in .40, with a KelTec Sub 2000 that uses the G22 mags....40 should be available....223 is impossible to find. I just got 500 rounds last week. Getting 500 more this week...maybe a thousand....
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Old 12-25-2012, 20:33   #166
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Glock 22 and 27 in .40, with a KelTec Sub 2000 that uses the G22 mags....40 should be available....223 is impossible to find. I just got 500 rounds last week. Getting 500 more this week...maybe a thousand....
this panic buying is hurting everyone. wish everyone would cool their jets. buy mags....they won't ban the ammo.
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Old 12-25-2012, 20:50   #167
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So, a majority of the debate in 9mm vs 45acp comes to capacity vs power. I know there are other arguments, but that's what I hear the most. So my question is, if a 10 round magazine limit is instated, will you switch to 40sw or 45acp or stay with 9mm in handguns that can hold 10 in either caliber?

I am kind of leaning that, if I can only have 10, I might as well have the biggest 10 I can.
Because of the number of magazines still around after a ban if it happens you should be able to carry at least 12 rounds anyway. But a 45 is no better than a 9mm and they are all comparable in stopping abilities with the 357 being the best.
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Old 12-25-2012, 22:29   #168
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I think it comes down to being able to hit your target...if you carry a 10 round mag in any caliber, and shoot to slide-lockback w/o hitting your opponent, it just really sucks being you that day. I also believe that a 10 round mag backed up by another (or 2) 10 round mags, still makes for formidable firepower...in any reasonable caliber. When we routinely carried revolvers, and many still do, we knew we had to make our shots count. I think we may have to return to that mentality...make all 10 count!
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Old 12-25-2012, 22:34   #169
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No doubt the gun grabbers will learn from the last AWB and make "improvements" to this one.

Expect no expiration on the new ban, as well as excluding the allowable "post ban" models we had under the last one.
Soon we will be saying "ah for the good old days".
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Except he wanted to be re elected, mission accomplished. So what is to stop him WARP? You guys gave him a "mandate", at least he thinks that. He can propose & get anything hw wants passed w/ a liberal media supporting him, BTW, how he got re elected. The avg person is too disengaged to find out facts for themselves so will be lead by their corrupt & ignorant "leaders". he may be your president, but not mine. I hope you are right, but past exp tells me it's coming, maybe not this year, the fiscal cliff that OBAMA & the libs in the senate have created is kind of a bigger issue, but it will come sooner than later. Why do you think he is "demanding" proposals by the end of JAN? He wants those dead children still fresh in everyones minds. Yeah, sounds ugly, but that is Chicago politics baby.
Are you really that much of a defeatist?

Or are you here for the other side, convincing all of us that it is inevitable in an effort to keep us from fighting it?
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Old 12-26-2012, 00:25   #171
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A new AWB will happen and there will be no grandfathering of anything. Everything on the news and tons of cable shows is anti-gun. If the NRA opens its mouth it gets slammed. It's not about being a defeatist it is the new reality. The masses are being pushed to the left, it doesn't help that several times a week some nut is killing folks on the news. The Dems have already stated they are closing the lope holes in the last AWB, like grandfathering and who says they are going to allow ten rounds. Have you heard any Republicans on the news standing up for are firearm rights they are much more concerned with keeping the rich taxes low. You could see a new AWB coming for some time I just didn't think it would be this bad. Nobody but the NRA is doing anything and they are the new great Satan, the only thing gun owners are doing is buying guns and magazines that may soon be illegal to own.
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A new AWB will happen and there will be no grandfathering of anything.
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Old 12-26-2012, 01:25   #173
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I shoot .40, my primary having 14-round magazines. If there is an AWB - NOT a sure thing, don't go French on me and start waving the white flag before the fighting starts - my next gun would be a variant of the Sig Sauer P220 or the M&P .45. If I only get ten or less, I want each one to be a big fat sucker.

Lots of nice .357 Magnum revolvers too.
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Old 12-26-2012, 03:59   #174
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I will stick to 9mm, but i will carry 2 extra mags, instead of one.
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A double tap of 115 grain 9mm equals one 230 grain of .45 so they wouldn't be loosing much to go to the .45 and just learn to make their shots count!





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