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Old 12-21-2012, 16:44   #26
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That Springfield is nothing but a glorified import house is not exactly a news flash. They never made a fully made in USA 1911. I WILL concede they make a good 1911 but don't care for the deceptive advertising. Same goes for Blackhawks nylon products- made in Vietnam
The only product they ever made completely in the USA with American parts was the early m1A but that has not been the case in at least 2 decades
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Old 12-21-2012, 18:11   #27
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That Springfield is nothing but a glorified import house is not exactly a news flash. They never made a fully made in USA 1911. I WILL concede they make a good 1911 but don't care for the deceptive advertising. Same goes for Blackhawks nylon products- made in Vietnam
The only product they ever made completely in the USA with American parts was the early m1A but that has not been the case in at least 2 decades
Well, believe it or not but most shooters or gun owners do not know that Springfield Armory is an arms merchant and not a manufacturer.
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Old 12-21-2012, 19:27   #28
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As for the <$400 PT-1911, I pre-ordered once I heard they were going to hit the market. I got one of the first run of Ruger 1911s the same was as the busiest FFL in Oregon is a friend.
Well, everyone else is paying $5 to $600 for them now.
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Old 12-21-2012, 20:35   #29
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That happens with successful products.
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Old 12-21-2012, 20:39   #30
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That happens with successful products.
It's been successful, but that doesn't necessarily mean its good.

There's no way you can tell me the PT is as good as others in its price range, like the Ruger, Desert Eagle, or STI Spartan.
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Old 12-21-2012, 21:12   #31
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It's not as nice as the Ruger which is basically a stainless Caspian 1911 with above average parts. You could barely build a stainless Caspian with the parts included in the Ruger in the low $600s. I've no experience with the others you mention. The PT 1911 was a good value when it first came out but not worth what they are asking for them these days.

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Old 12-21-2012, 21:13   #32
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You're next in the 1911-snob club, SG.

I nominate Joe as the president.

I'll take VP status, but YOU are da man.
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Old 12-21-2012, 21:22   #33
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It's not as nice as the Ruger which is basically a stainless Caspian 1911 with above average parts. I've no experience with the others you mention. It was a good value when it first came out but not worth what they are asking for them these days.
Under $400 is a solid value, as long as you get a good one.
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Old 12-22-2012, 01:17   #34
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Successful to the misinformed buyers maybe, but they don't fly off the shelves like they used to.
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Old 12-22-2012, 05:42   #35
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Successful to the misinformed buyers maybe, but they don't fly off the shelves like they used to.
Yeah, I don't think they are selling like they used to. There are many better options now.
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Old 12-22-2012, 06:01   #36
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country or origin does not indicate quality nor does price.

some the best 1911s come from an island nation in the pacific and cost half that of a basic American made Colt.
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some the best 1911s come from an island nation in the pacific and cost half that of a basic American made Colt.

Some of the "best"?? um no..... not even close. If someone wanted a cheap 1911 that has honest quality they can go Norinco, or Ruger.
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....it's a good thing we don't have any 1911-snobs!
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country or origin does not indicate quality nor does price.

some the best 1911s come from an island nation in the pacific and cost half that of a basic American made Colt.
I hope you're not implying the Filipino 1911s are some of the best. They're good in their price range.

When it comes to new 1911s, the price usually does equal quality.

Anybody thinking sub $500 1911s are some of the best, needs to learn a bit.
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....it's a good thing we don't have any 1911-snobs!
Pointing out facts does not make one a snob.
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Old 12-22-2012, 14:25   #41
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You're next in the 1911-snob club, SG.

I nominate Joe as the president.

The truth is ...once you 'go bl err...better you can't go back!' I don't have nearly as many 1911's as you guys, but the more I shoot the smooth ones, the less I enjoy the lesser worked models.

Don't forget guys, an afternoon with a single shot .22, a sammich and a cold Coca-Cola is truly nearly heaven. It's a fine hobby that we have chosen.

ETA: Bac I'll try and send you those BHP ser #'s after Christmas.
Thanks for being willing to look them up for me. Sorry for the drift but I don't expect to be on here very much over the next few days.
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Old 12-22-2012, 18:30   #42
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Iíve had my Taurus PT 1911 just a little less than two months with just around 700 rounds thru it and 3 pairs of grips. Iíve had zero failures. I picked it up OTD for $615. Springfield was my first choice, but no where around here to look at one, and I didnít feel like spending the amount of money they want for them. I asked a lot of questions and held the PT 1911 before I bought it, and Iím quite pleased with my decision.

Read this sticky from the Taurus forum on the Miami factory tour two mods made. It is quite long with lots of photos and good documentary and worth the read.
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ETA: Bac I'll try and send you those BHP ser #'s after Christmas.
Thanks for being willing to look them up for me. Sorry for the drift but I don't expect to be on here very much over the next few days.
No problem, SG. Enjoy your holiday
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Old 12-22-2012, 18:47   #44
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Yeah, that one is a great value. Why pay $2500 for a Wilson when you can get a Taurus for a fifth of the price with the same features?
Wilson doesn't come with bling bling gold controls!
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Old 12-22-2012, 20:20   #46
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I bought a PT1911 when they first came out for under $400, but it wasn't a good value in the slightest since it was a total POS, reliability, finish and quality wise.
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Old 12-22-2012, 20:59   #47
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Iíve had my Taurus PT 1911 just a little less than two months with just around 700 rounds thru it and 3 pairs of grips. Iíve had zero failures. I picked it up OTD for $615. Springfield was my first choice, but no where around here to look at one, and I didnít feel like spending the amount of money they want for them. I asked a lot of questions and held the PT 1911 before I bought it, and Iím quite pleased with my decision.

Read this sticky from the Taurus forum on the Miami factory tour two mods made. It is quite long with lots of photos and good documentary and worth the read.
They seem to be hit or miss, a trait common to a number of Taurus semi autos. Alot of the abuse the PT1911 takes is from the ads they ran portraying it as a $1000+ gun for $500. They just were not accurate.

I liked the Para 1911s I owned, most on here do not care for that brand at all either.

This sub forum is not really a brand snob forum 95% of the time, now the Black Rifle Forum.....well that is a different story
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I bought a PT1911 when they first came out for under $400, but it wasn't a good value in the slightest since it was a total POS, reliability, finish and quality wise.
Yeah, some were really bad.
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Old 12-23-2012, 03:15   #49
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The truth is ... the more I shoot the smooth ones, the less I enjoy the lesser worked models.
Bingo.
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Old 12-24-2012, 10:51   #50
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The only thing Springfield's entry level 1911s and the Taurus have in common is their country of origin.

One is a high quality gun built from great IMBEL forgings and the other is a POS marketing gimmick.

I'm not sure why people compare them.
Agreed with you Sir. 100%
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