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Old 12-21-2012, 23:09   #26
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So there I was this morning backed up on paper from the blizzard we had the last two days. Trying to be good little cops, my shift partner and I go park by a local elementary school to be seen, do reports, chat with the kids and basically be a deterrent to any whacko with a copycat/end of the world fetish ...

Then here comes the principal, her knickers all twisted up. She tells us that she doesn't want the police there being visible, it sends the wrong message, etc ... Truth is I zoned out, as her mere presence drained my IQ to the point it was hard to remember to breathe. My buddy and I didn't know if she was kidding and just lousy at telling jokes or serious. Turns out she was serious.

Anyways, we ended up moving down the street a ways to get her to shut up and leave. Several parents passing by said they were glad to see us there. I wonder if they know the school principals feelings.

Oh well. Guess Super Duper Principal can use a stapler and cell phone if anything goes down there.
Lucky our principals here love us and want us around. They call the chief and ask if we can go around their sites more often or just stay there and help them with traffic.
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Old 12-22-2012, 05:46   #27
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So there I was this morning backed up on paper from the blizzard we had the last two days. Trying to be good little cops, my shift partner and I go park by a local elementary school to be seen, do reports, chat with the kids and basically be a deterrent to any whacko with a copycat/end of the world fetish ...

Then here comes the principal, her knickers all twisted up. She tells us that she doesn't want the police there being visible, it sends the wrong message, etc ... Truth is I zoned out, as her mere presence drained my IQ to the point it was hard to remember to breathe. My buddy and I didn't know if she was kidding and just lousy at telling jokes or serious. Turns out she was serious.

Anyways, we ended up moving down the street a ways to get her to shut up and leave. Several parents passing by said they were glad to see us there. I wonder if they know the school principals feelings.

Oh well. Guess Super Duper Principal can use a stapler and cell phone if anything goes down there.
You know, I would love to be able, in your position there, to tell her to take a flying eff at a rolling doughnut, and just sit there and continue with what I was doing, and get backed up by administration on it.
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Old 12-22-2012, 06:44   #28
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Old 12-22-2012, 06:59   #29
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You know, I would love to be able, in your position there, to tell her to take a flying eff at a rolling doughnut, and just sit there and continue with what I was doing, and get backed up by administration on it.
That is what i appreciated about my Chief. I'd have told her that when I started caring about what she thought I would let her know and I would park wherever I wanted to.

If she were stupid enough to storm off to call the chief he would have told her the same thing only less politely.
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Old 12-22-2012, 07:32   #30
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Every Middle and High School in the county has an assigned SRO. The elementary schools don't because they don't really have problem kids, etc. I imagine that patrols around them will increase for the near future, then fade away as the memory fades.
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Old 12-22-2012, 09:44   #31
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You know, I would love to be able, in your position there, to tell her to take a flying eff at a rolling doughnut, and just sit there and continue with what I was doing, and get backed up by administration on it.
I would rather politely tell her, "Sir, please back away from the vehicle. Your manly odor is giving me headaches."

Then I would kick her in the ding ding just like she was impersonating an operator.
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Old 12-22-2012, 09:58   #32
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Our local high school has a police officer assigned to it. He wears his uniform, vest, badge and carries a gun. His CV is parked in front of the building.

Prior to being assigned to a school officers must take a one week (40 hr) course at the police academy on how to be a SRO. Then another SRO acts as a FTO for awhile.

It's worked out rather well. The officer has to exercise good judgement between enforcing the law and mere school discipline. Most kids get along with him.

PS: a local school system just announced that come January 2 they will have police officers stationed at their schools. They say it will be expensive but necessary for the protection of students. Maybe LaPierre's speech got to them.

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Old 12-22-2012, 09:58   #33
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So there I was this morning backed up on paper from the blizzard we had the last two days. Trying to be good little cops, my shift partner and I go park by a local elementary school to be seen, do reports, chat with the kids and basically be a deterrent to any whacko with a copycat/end of the world fetish ...

Then here comes the principal, her knickers all twisted up. She tells us that she doesn't want the police there being visible, it sends the wrong message, etc ... Truth is I zoned out, as her mere presence drained my IQ to the point it was hard to remember to breathe. My buddy and I didn't know if she was kidding and just lousy at telling jokes or serious. Turns out she was serious.

Anyways, we ended up moving down the street a ways to get her to shut up and leave. Several parents passing by said they were glad to see us there. I wonder if they know the school principals feelings.

Oh well. Guess Super Duper Principal can use a stapler and cell phone if anything goes down there.
My brother is a Sgt. with Philly PD. He also volunteers at his kids' elementary school in their athletics program. On Monday following the CT shooting, one of the non teaching admin types, an older woman stomped up to him and demanded to know if he was armed (they know he is a LEO), because it would be highly irresponsible for him to be in a school full of children with a gun.

He responded that if something happened at the school it would be irresponsible if he didn't, and if she didn't like it, too bad. She stomped off to complain to the principal, who later (that same day) told him she was always glad to see him in the building.

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Old 12-22-2012, 10:05   #34
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The Education mafia is overwhelming hard left. They do not care for the police or what the police represent. Firearms are not welcome, no matter who wields them.
Neither does the hard right, we get it comming and going.

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Police in schools are a reality in major cities. I don't see why having a local police presence was an issue. We had an old police officer who would regulate traffic and make it safe to go across cross walks when I was a nematoad in Florida. We all liked that old guy. But, I guess, that was when values existed like respecting authority and elders.

I remember having conversations with him, he was always happy and loved kids.

Now, when we moved around to some larger cities and as the grade got higher there was a group that was more surly and younger. But, then again, they had to deal with a lot more crap.
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Old 12-22-2012, 13:29   #35
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the highschools and some middleschools have had a police presence for a few years. we would just need to spread it to the elementary schools, not a small feat with tight budgets, though
Ditto here. The big problem is that CCSD has 327 schools. The CCSD police department has a little over 200 officers. When Las Vegas was building like mad, instead of adding capacity to existing schools, they went gangbusters and built a crap ton of new schools. Can't give do-nothing admin jobs to your friends and family if there aren't enough schools to go around. Now half those schools are underutilized (read: half-vacant) and the other half is decrepit and in disrepair. Instead of closing campuses and consolidating, they tried to pass a ballot question to raise property taxes to pay for maintenance on the broke-down schools. That failed miserably.
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This. They don't want scary guns on campus.
This exactly.

They've spent 20 - 30 years doing as Eric Holder said, "brainwashing our kids to think different about guns".

Now, having armed patrol officers in schools shows that guns have a place in society. They are useful and can save lives. Completely antithetical to our indoctrinators, oops, I mean EDUCATORS desired ends.

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Old 12-23-2012, 23:45   #37
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Officers in schools are great, but they weren't really put there to prevent or engage an external threat.
What? That's news to me. In my state they've always been intended to do that, and that's how they're trained. There's a "tactical SRO" subculture akin to the "SWAT operator" types, only with larger t-shirts and less Michael Westen-looking sunglasses.

All middle and high schools in my county have SROs. I was one for two years. Under the previous administration they were high visibility, well-trained, uniformed officers intended to provide police presence and do work. Now they're a feel-good measure in "soft" uniforms (polo shirt and 5.11-type pants) with no vest and no duty belt. You're lucky if they carry a subcompact Glock and a pair of handcuffs.
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Yeah, some SRO positions have been made to almost look like admin jobs with soft uniforms and barely any equipment.
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My home town had an SRO at the high school up until 2003-04 when the position got cut in the budget. The elementary schools had a DARE officer but the DARE officer was never overtly armed, there was no police presence in the middle schools.
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I went to a HS taught by Jesuit Priests. A lot of these guys were veterans. I think about 1/2 of them were boxers when they were kids. God help someone who tried to hurt one of their flock...literally God help them. Some of the best people I ever met. Stayed in touch for many years after.

My son's HS has a full time officer assigned. She has a small office near the admin center. Keeps the patrol car parked out front. Keeps her long arms secured in the vehicle. It would not suprise me in the least if she had one secured inside. Nice lady but let's just say I wouldn't want to come home late w/o a good excuse if we were married Kind of a "looks good kill" demeanor without trying.
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Old 12-24-2012, 08:08   #41
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Detroit Public School system has it's own police department, complete with a few K-9s, sworn officers, cars, the works.

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Jefferson County Public Schools has sworn officers that patrol the schools after hours, but are not allowed to carry weapons per school board policy. This is in addition to the (relatively new; 10 years or so) SROs; I don't think every school even at the middle and high school level have SROs, though.

They go through the full regular police academy like any other LEO in the state, including using weapons in the academy, but don't have them when they start working. Makes a lot of sense, I know.

My idea for here, at least, would be to arm those folks that patrol, and have armed school "special police", basically security officers sworn as "Special Law Enforcement Officers" under state law, to be in the schools, at least one for EVERY school, during the hours they're occupied.
How can a board dictate policy to a a sworn police officer? They are exempt from that nonsense. We have the SCoP program here in VA Special Conservators of the Peace, we also have a new one they are rolling out specifically for Campus Cops.
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Cops are already in about a 1/2 of our schools now. I had one when going to school in the 70.
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Probably because they work for the school board. We have school police here and they have all sorts of silly policies. The Chief answers to the superintendent and the officers answer to the principals and the chief.
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Nice lady but let's just say I wouldn't want to come home late w/o a good excuse if we were married Kind of a "looks good kill" demeanor without trying.
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How can a board dictate policy to a a sworn police officer? They are exempt from that nonsense. We have the SCoP program here in VA Special Conservators of the Peace, we also have a new one they are rolling out specifically for Campus Cops.
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Probably because they work for the school board. We have school police here and they have all sorts of silly policies. The Chief answers to the superintendent and the officers answer to the principals and the chief.
Exactly; they are employed by the school board, so the school board sets their policies.
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Around here, many school districts have their own police departments, anywhere from Houston ISD down to some pretty small ISDs. All the ones I've seen are fully-equipped and drive patrol cars. Even teachers and school admin haven't fully gone the way of hand-wringing libtardedness in Texas...yet.
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Exactly; they are employed by the school board, so the school board sets their policies.
Very bad idea forming a police department under educators. It would be like forming a police department under a bunch of scientists. It is not that they are not knowledgeable, but they don't think the correct way to run a police department.
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Very bad idea forming a police department under educators. It would be like forming a police department under a bunch of scientists. It is not that they are not knowledgeable, but they don't think the correct way to run a police department.
I agree, having worked for a private university public safety department in the past; some of the things they want are ridiculous, inconsistant, unsafe, sometimes illegal, and just plain stupid!
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Very bad idea forming a police department under educators. It would be like forming a police department under a bunch of scientists. It is not that they are not knowledgeable, but they don't think the correct way to run a police department.
You just described 99.99% of college PDs.
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