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Old 12-20-2012, 14:07   #51
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SUre, until you get caught on the street with them. Depending on how they write such crap laws, possesion could be a crime.
The '94AWB "grand-fathered" the possession of magazines with greater than 10 rounds capacity and if we see reinstatement (which I doubt since Heller says that banning an entire class of guns or those in common usage is unconstitutional) it'll likely be included again.

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So at least, confiscated mag, fine & at worst, some jail time. Yeah, I'll just caryy the old 1911.
Nope, "at least" is "grand-fathered" possession (the most likely option) of those mags already in our possession- no jail time. Until it becomes reality, I ain't gonna worry about it. Enjoy your 1911.
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Old 12-20-2012, 14:09   #52
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My predictions for after a high cap mag ban:

There will be a renewed interest in the 1911 and stock will rise for companies producing entry level priced 1911's.

Glock will be forced to (finally!) produce a full size, single stack, slim frame model to retain market share.
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Old 12-20-2012, 15:07   #53
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My predictions...

Glock will be forced to (finally!) produce a full size, single stack, slim frame model to retain market share.
Glocks primary market is LE and Mil and they made it through the last AWB without stooping to single stacks.
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Old 12-20-2012, 15:11   #54
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If it ever came down to me being limited to only 10 rounds, I'd happily carry my 19 with ten-round mags, or my 26 with standard flush mags.

Well, not "happily", but I wouldn't feel terribly stripped. I carry spares anyway.
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Old 12-20-2012, 15:14   #55
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Here in NY the ASB never really lifted. We can only have 10 round mags . I still carry a 9mm ..

Living under it is really no big deal.

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Old 12-20-2012, 15:20   #56
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So, a majority of the debate in 9mm vs 45acp comes to capacity vs power. I know there are other arguments, but that's what I hear the most. So my question is, if a 10 round magazine limit is instated, will you switch to 40sw or 45acp or stay with 9mm in handguns that can hold 10 in either caliber?

I am kind of leaning that, if I can only have 10, I might as well have the biggest 10 I can.
I have 9mm, 357 Sig, 40 S&W and 45 ACP handguns.
Just bought a boat load of hi cap mags for the first three.

But the short answer to your question?
If 10 rounds is max and I'm buying a new full size gun?
It will be a .45.

My P2000SK doesn't come in 45 and uses 9 round 40 mags.
Although it will work with 12 round P2000 40 mags too.
But for a sub compact I'm still going to run 40 going forward.
I just bought a bunch of 12 round P2000 mags and Xgrips too - LOL!

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Old 12-20-2012, 15:27   #57
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So, a majority of the debate in 9mm vs 45acp comes to capacity vs power. I know there are other arguments, but that's what I hear the most. So my question is, if a 10 round magazine limit is instated, will you switch to 40sw or 45acp or stay with 9mm in handguns that can hold 10 in either caliber?

I am kind of leaning that, if I can only have 10, I might as well have the biggest 10 I can.
Why switch when I have all the pre-ban mags I should ever need?

Then again, I would probably buy a few 10 rounders for range time.
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Old 12-20-2012, 15:59   #58
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The '94AWB "grand-fathered" the possession of magazines with greater than 10 rounds capacity and if we see reinstatement (which I doubt since Heller says that banning an entire class of guns or those in common usage is unconstitutional) it'll likely be included again.



Nope, "at least" is "grand-fathered" possession (the most likely option) of those mags already in our possession- no jail time. Until it becomes reality, I ain't gonna worry about it. Enjoy your 1911.
Well, IMO, you are loking at best case scenario. Liberals won't make the mistakes they made w/ the last AWB. No sunset & few grandfather clauses. They can easily make them illegal, confiscation would follow a grace period where you turn them in & they pay you for them. After that, illegal, confiscation & jail time. It's how it's done in other countries. You have your head in the sand if you think they are not going to go big this time. When you are walking on dead children, it's an easy lift.
Thanks, I do enjoy my 1911, w/ a spare mag, not many problems I could not solve.
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Old 12-20-2012, 16:15   #59
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We just might see some new interest in the Glock 37.
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Well, IMO, you are loking at best case scenario. Liberals won't make the mistakes they made w/ the last AWB. No sunset & few grandfather clauses. They can easily make them illegal, confiscation would follow a grace period where you turn them in & they pay you for them. After that, illegal, confiscation & jail time. It's how it's done in other countries. You have your head in the sand if you think they are not going to go big this time. When you are walking on dead children, it's an easy lift.
Thanks, I do enjoy my 1911, w/ a spare mag, not many problems I could not solve.
You paint a grim picture, Fred - but who knows. The media has reported (and they ALWAYS get their facts correct ), that the president will use a combination of Executive Orders and Congressional approval to get this done. We have the Constitution behind us with its checks and balances, but Executive Orders are something else. Even the checks and balances may not work this time. No politician wants to throw his career down the toilet by backing common sense and the common man.
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Old 12-20-2012, 17:00   #61
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You paint a grim picture, Fred - but who knows. The media has reported (and they ALWAYS get their facts correct ), that the president will use a combination of Executive Orders and Congressional approval to get this done. We have the Constitution behind us with its checks and balances, but Executive Orders are something else. Even the checks and balances may not work this time. No politician wants to throw his career down the toilet by backing common sense and the common man.
I think the current problems we have in this country are because people do NOT look forward enough. So we kick stuff down the road & bury our head in the sand on things like gun control.
Really, how dare this admin talk of more gun control when they have been running guns to Mexican crimnals. Then again, few are paying attention. American Idol is more important than being informed about what goes on in our govt.
I expect PBO to use the exec order to do several things that may or may not be challenged in the ever more liberal courts. He could EO a ban on high cap mags tomorrow, but just adding to existing measures in the 68 GC act. He could EO tomorrow that all oassualt style weapons be turned into Class III weapons & require annual reg & a FBI background check. He has used EO outside of COngress before, he will again I am afraid. I tried warning people before the election & they still stayed home or voted libertarian. I know several on this forum that probably still deny PBO is antigun.
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Well, IMO, you are loking at best case scenario. Liberals won't make the mistakes they made w/ the last AWB. No sunset & few grandfather clauses. They can easily make them illegal, confiscation would follow a grace period where you turn them in & they pay you for them. After that, illegal, confiscation & jail time. It's how it's done in other countries. You have your head in the sand if you think they are not going to go big this time. When you are walking on dead children, it's an easy lift.
Thanks, I do enjoy my 1911, w/ a spare mag, not many problems I could not solve.
Never said they weren't going to "go big". The proposed AWB, whatever it is, is an unknown- right now debating hypothetical stuff serves no purpose.
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the economic meltdown will far eclipse the new AWB...we will need to hold on to what we have
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Soldmyhat..."will you switch to 40sw or 45acp or stay with 9mm in handguns that can hold 10 in either caliber?"

In all honesty I only need one round... OK... two rounds (the second one is just to make sure).

I carry a G26 now and I have no intention of switching or changing anything. I think there will be a tremendous amount of saber rattling and chest thumping going on in Washington, perhaps all over - but at the end of a few months those clowns will not be able to come up with anything that will be able to pass both the House & the Senate.
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Would I switch? nope...I'll just continue to carry 17 round magazines.

I'd rather carry one 17 rounder than two 10 rounders. According to the left, more bullets equals more death..so in reality I'm doing them a favor.
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So, a majority of the debate in 9mm vs 45acp comes to capacity vs power. I know there are other arguments, but that's what I hear the most. So my question is, if a 10 round magazine limit is instated, will you switch to 40sw or 45acp or stay with 9mm in handguns that can hold 10 in either caliber?

I am kind of leaning that, if I can only have 10, I might as well have the biggest 10 I can.
I'll stay with my 9mm- G26 comes with a 10 rd mag.That's what I have - what I carry.
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Would I switch? nope...I'll just continue to carry 17 round magazines.

I'd rather carry one 17 rounder than two 10 rounders. According to the left, more bullets equals more death..so in reality I'm doing them a favor.
I am the opp. Shoot enough & you realize crap happens. A mag failure would get you killed if it's the only one you have. A spare mag allows you to more easily clear certain malfunctions & if the mag is bad, 2sec & you are back in the fight. My 1911PD carries lighet & slimmer w/ a sapre mag than a G17 & no spare.
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Never said they weren't going to "go big". The proposed AWB, whatever it is, is an unknown- right now debating hypothetical stuff serves no purpose.
Maybe why this clown got re elected. No one wanted to think of the hypotheticals. Planning for the best case scenario in anything in life is foolish at best, JMO.
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Cost is a pretty big factor for me and I would still stay with 9MM because 45 ACP will still be expensive. Plus I already have the 9MM stuff
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I am kind of leaning that, if I can only have 10, I might as well have the biggest 10 I can.
I'd think it would be the one you're the best shot with. Most comfortable with. Shot placement wins out over caliber, doesn't it?

FWIW, mine is a .45 (G30). But that's just me. If you're better with a 9, then...
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My usual carry guns are a Glock 27 (9 round magazine, one round in the chamber and two spare magazines), a Ruger LCR (5 shot with two to four speed loaders) or a Kahr P380 (6 round magazine, one in the chamber and two or three spare magazines).

I also have a Glock 19 I recently bought for carry and a Glock 20, each with 15 round magazines.

I also have quite a few guns that rarely come out of the safe.

I am not extremely worried yet. I see thousands of Americans on a buying frenzy as they fear bans. One can say Americans do not support the ban or that they already surrendered to the inevitability.

It is a sad thing to see how timid and fearful people are getting.
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It is a sad thing to see how timid and fearful people are getting.
Amen to that!
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Old 12-20-2012, 21:40   #73
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If the dems get high cap mags banned. Will glock design a ten rd mag for the g17 and 19 or make and insert plug like for shotguns that can be installed in the mag to limit it to ten rounds?
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Glock already has 10 round mags for the G17, 19, 22, 23, 31, 32 and etc.

http://glockparts.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=7179&CAT=713
http://glockparts.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=7184&CAT=704

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Old 12-21-2012, 08:42   #75
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Glock already has 10 round mags for the G17, 19, 22, 23, 31, 32 and etc.

http://glockparts.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=7179&CAT=713
http://glockparts.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=7184&CAT=704
I think the implication of the OP is;
with the proposed 10 round mag ban there will be guns of the same size, weight and capacity in 9mm and 45.

Without the usual capacity advantages of a 9mm
why wouldn't you upgrade to a 45?

Recoil and cost of ammo are good reasons.
But the capacity argument will disappear.

In full size pistols, 10 for 10 rounds, I'll always choose a .45.

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