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Old 12-03-2012, 08:16   #51
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A great singe stack 9 is the Kahr CM9 got mine OTD for $420. It has been 100% reliable love the size and weight it is perfect for pocket carry in a Sticky Holster. I also love my Gen 4 G19 FDE too but too big for me to carry.
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Old 12-03-2012, 08:35   #52
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I'd love to see a single stack 9mm from glock, but they need to fix the BTF/Erratic ejection issues before introducing any new models.
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Old 12-03-2012, 21:02   #53
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I'd love to see a single stack 9mm from glock, but they need to fix the BTF/Erratic ejection issues before introducing any new models.
I agree shot my Gen 4 G19 FDE today and love the gun but got BTF several times with light Russia Loads I thougt I would try. My Kahr CM9 shot them with no problems and usually Kahr are picky!
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Old 12-03-2012, 21:33   #54
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I see no need for single stack 9. The 26 is plenty small enough, holds 10 rounds, plus I can use 15 & 17 mags. What more do you need? A 26 is easy for most people to conceal and other single stacks 9s aren't that much smaller. At least not enough for me to give up rounds.
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Old 12-04-2012, 00:18   #55
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Why would Glock want to make a single stack 9 when the market is already flooded with them and no interest from military or police? The single stack 45 isn't flying off the shelves in my area.
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Old 12-04-2012, 06:33   #56
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I picked up a Beretta Nano. $379 before taxes. 2 mags, etc. 150 flawless rounds so far and that includes Blazer Aluminum 115 gr FMJ. 8 round mags are 'sometimes' available from Beretta. Holsters are available. Night sights can be bought too and are easily installed by the user. It's built like a tank. Also has OD, FDE replacement frames available and can be switched by the user. More rounds and it will be in the carry rotation. I CAN pocket carry it AND draw from large pocket pants. In an IWB, it seems to disappear. I liked the Shield, but it has a safety...I KNOW you don't have to use it, etc., etc.
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Old 12-04-2012, 06:48   #57
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If I need something smaller than my 26, I just drop a revolver in my pocket. Don't have to fire 200 rounds before I can trust it and know it will go bang no matter how I'm holding it.
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Old 12-04-2012, 10:47   #58
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M&P Shield

I've had my Shield in 9mm for several months, now. It is hard to get, even though S&W had a large number completed before the release. This is a great little off-duty or back-up gun. I carry it in both capacities. In the summer, it conceals very well IWB and in baggy shorts pockets. You can't do that easily with a G26.

I agree with what others have said about Gaston missing the boat on the single stack concealable pistols. S*W may have gotten in late, but the demand for their Shied is quite high. I have a number of Officers who can not find the, even on LE deals.

Further, I've been a Glock guy since the early 90's, having carried 1911's, S&W Gen 3 .45's and .357 revolvers from the time I entered LE in 1977. However, based on the ergonomics, I have replaced all caliber of Glocks, except 9mm, with S&W M&P's. Those pistols are in .40 and .45, except the Shield. I'll never get rid of my G19's.
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Old 12-04-2012, 12:06   #59
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The problem with the Shield is that it's a Smith & Wesson. Smith and Wesson changes models and generations of semi-auto pistols like most of you change your socks. Sadly, in a couple years the Shield will be replaced by a newer, better model that surprisingly will require different mags, holsters, accessories. You get the picture.

Ohh you mean like this magazine?
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/w...layErrorView_N

The one that fits the Model 59 introduced in 1970 and fits the 5906TSW still in production in 2002?

I agree that S&W has introduced different models over the years but they seem to try to keep magazines interchangeable when they can.
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Old 12-08-2012, 09:15   #60
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I cant figure why we cant get the .380 here
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Old 12-08-2012, 09:21   #61
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I cant figure why we cant get the .380 here
Most likely they don't feel there is enough of a market for a .380 of the same size and weight as a very popular 9mm that can shoot any 9mm you want with comfort.
Otherwise even if there was an import issue, they'd make it here.
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Old 12-08-2012, 11:11   #62
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Why would Glock want to make a single stack 9 when the market is already flooded with them and no interest from military or police? The single stack 45 isn't flying off the shelves in my area.
Seriously? Have you tried to find a Shield 9mm? Sellers are asking and getting over MSRP in my area. That is not indicative of a flood. Also, how many double stacks are out there?

As for the safety, I don;t get all the hoo-ha. I actually like it for a CCW. I like the idea that if a tussle occurs that someone grabbing my gun can't just pull the trigger. As a 1911 guy, actuating the safety is automatic. I guess to each their own.

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Old 12-09-2012, 21:14   #63
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Kahr has had single-stack polymer 9mm guns available for years. Good guns. The Shield doesn't break any new ground. Glock knows it's market - service-caliber weapons that are mag-compatible. The G26 is a better gun than the Shield. Care to do a durability test? Glock has nothing to prove, and the G26 is a bullet hose.

S&W did a polymer-frame single stack 9mm about 10 years back (SW9M, anyone? More like "S&M"!). It went - exactly nowhere.

J-frame and 158gr Winchester or Federal LSWCHP+P. If not that, carry something worthy of a belt holster - like a G26 or G27.

Remember, folks, S&W's selling point is that the M&P is now the "anti-Glock". Count on S&W to offer what Glock doesn't. Know what? I hope S&W succeeds. Why? Because LE needs guns with S&W features (manual safety levers, mag disconnects, and even single-stack service caliber guns). The departure of S&W's metal-framed 3rd Gen/TSW guns left a vacuum. It's filled now.

When S&W (or anyone else) builds something better than a G17, G19, or G26, they will earn my undivided attention. Getting closer, but no cigar, Springfield. I still may own a M&P 45 someday, though. Glock does nothing in "ACP" that makes me happy.
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Old 12-09-2012, 21:36   #64
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Kahr has had single-stack polymer 9mm guns available for years. Good guns. The Shield doesn't break any new ground. Glock knows it's market - service-caliber weapons that are mag-compatible...

S&W did a polymer-frame single stack 9mm about 10 years back (SW9M, anyone? More like "S&M"!). It went - exactly nowhere...

Winner.

Everyone wanted a Keltec, then an LCR, then an LC9, then the p290, ad nauseum. Just the flavor of the month. Nothing wrong with that as marketing knows many gun buyers are more fickle than women shoe shoppers. Nothing new here.
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Old 12-09-2012, 21:41   #65
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Single stack 9? My dream is the service-size single stack 45. Eight or nine rounds with the thinner grip frame and slide......wonderful, I would think! Then a G19 sized 7 rd for off duty...PERFECT!
Agreed. It violates their "best" philosophy of more is better, but the American market would jump on a full-sized single-stack 45 Glock like white on rice.

IMO every 1911 owner (imaging how many there are) would buy one just to have a Glock that was sorta-kinda like their baby.

I believe one day they will.

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Old 12-09-2012, 21:42   #66
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The problem with the Shield is that it's a Smith & Wesson. Smith and Wesson changes models and generations of semi-auto pistols like most of you change your socks. Sadly, in a couple years the Shield will be replaced by a newer, better model that surprisingly will require different mags, holsters, accessories. You get the picture.
That is a valid point. Look at the FN pistol line. They come out with very new stuff probably every 7-10 years. Now if something sticks, they'll stick with it. It's a chicken and egg argument.

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Old 12-09-2012, 21:46   #67
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Why would Glock want to make a single stack 9 when the market is already flooded with them and no interest from military or police? The single stack 45 isn't flying off the shelves in my area.
IMO this is because it isn't a true full-size gun. 90% of users have to lift their grip off the pistol to reload. That really hurts the design with the US crowd.

I had a smilier situation with the Glock 19 with grip-reductions. It causes my hand to drop farther down on the grip and I get bit on reloads.

Since the GEN 4 comes with good texture and has a slightly different hump. I take to it like water. The GEN 4's brought me BACK to the Glock after being away for 15 years.

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Old 12-09-2012, 23:14   #68
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we can all dream..

Go get a single stack 45. Glock 36
I'd take both the G39 or XDs over the G36.
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Old 12-10-2012, 05:32   #69
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Argue the minutia all you want, but I carry my Shield over my 26 simply because it is far more comfortable. OI carry it over my Kahr PM because o better capacity and a better trigger and a more comfortable size...to me. My Shield has gone bang every tme regardless of ammo and I needn't torture test it since I don't plan to use it in a tortuous way.

Simply put, I was saying if Glock built it I would prefer it more and it would sell big time.

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I know this is a beaten to death topic, but after returning from the range where I spent time with my new S&W Shield, I am reminded just how badly I wish Glock made a single stack 9mm with a standard 7 round mag. The Shield is really nice, but Glock could do better. I guess I can dream.
What makes you think Glock could do better?
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Old 12-10-2012, 07:28   #71
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Well the market isn't flooded with single stack 10mm's ....now if Glock made the 36 into a 10mm I would be all over it

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Old 12-10-2012, 07:31   #72
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What makes you think Glock could do better?
Let's see...fit and finish, a grip angle and trigger that is more familiar to me since I have several other Glocks, parts seem to become more readily available for Glock pistols and some prefer no manual safety (although really not a deal breaker or maker for me). Finally, I just like a Glock better.

...oh....and I really like the box the Glock comes in way better than the cardboard one from Smith

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Old 12-10-2012, 08:57   #73
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From my NBE (no business experience) point of view, it seems like a single stack 9mm would be a wash because, while it would bring in new customers, it would also take customers away from the 26. At best, a single stack 7-round Glock could be unbelievably successful, and make the 26 all but obsolete, or the other way around.

If you are choosing the 26 over the 19, you are already ok with less capacity for a weapon that conceals better. If that's the case, why not just keep going to the single stack? I would like to see what the Shield has done to Smith's sales of their version of the 26,
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Let's see...fit and finish, a grip angle and trigger that is more familiar to me since I have several other Glocks, parts seem to become more readily available for Glock pistols and some prefer no manual safety (although really not a deal breaker or maker for me). Finally, I just like a Glock better.

...oh....and I really like the box the Glock comes in way better than the cardboard one from Smith
Ok, so its better for you.

I would disagree.
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