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Old 11-15-2012, 13:48   #21
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The aforementioned book is written by Robert W. Faid---a numerologist and nuclear engineer...
A numerologist? You've got to be kidding. Any witch doctors or astrologists? How about someone who dropped acid and talked to God?
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Old 11-15-2012, 14:02   #22
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A numerologist? You've got to be kidding. Any witch doctors or astrologists? How about someone who dropped acid and talked to God?
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Old 11-15-2012, 16:23   #23
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Geko you are obviously intelligent and well educated---90% right---yet 100% wrong..Too bad, you will probably lead others astray with you. On the way GreenDrake-
It's really no surprise that people who go through the journey that Geko traveled find a new destination.

To the more discerning reader of the Bible it is impossible NOT to see the obvious contradictions, fallacies and atrocities. The bible has lead more people to atheism than you think.

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It is nice to know that it was written in such a way that only dumb people can understand it.

Perhaps "wise" people have a hard time with it because it is filled with contradictions, mis-information, and nonsense. One must cherry-pick their way through it to arrive at the conclusion that the deity described in it is just and loving. What I take from it is that that god is maniacal, jealous, vengeful, insecure and illogical. Even if the god of the bible DID exist, he isn't much of a role model and I wouldn't follow him to the men's room.
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Old 11-15-2012, 17:00   #24
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It is nice to know that it was written in such a way that only dumb people can understand it.

Perhaps "wise" people have a hard time with it because it is filled with contradictions, mis-information, and nonsense. One must cherry-pick their way through it to arrive at the conclusion that the deity described in it is just and loving. What I take from it is that that god is maniacal, jealous, vengeful, insecure and illogical. Even if the god of the bible DID exist, he isn't much of a role model and I wouldn't follow him to the men's room.
No one has ever been able to tell me why God talks in riddles. Why can't he just say what he means. Why can't he write a coherent consistent manuscript. It appears he forgets what he wrote previously and contradicts himself. Sometimes he does absurd stuff like cursing a fig tree because it didn't have any fruit when he wanted to eat. Looks like God would have know that or simply forced it to have fruit.
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Old 11-15-2012, 17:05   #25
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He's out there with Tim LaHaye. I wonder if people like that are just selling books or if they really believe what they write. I got sucked in by Carlos Castaneda once. After four books I realized I was being conned.
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Sad, real sad, that so many are so hostile, self aggrandized, smug and arrogant that they have pronounced for themselves their own demise and final destination. Geko--you never were a Christian.
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Geko--you never were a Christian.
I was never a true Scotsman, eh? Christian conditioning overrides logic and reason once again. You'd rather believe I was somehow fundamentally flawed than admit your belief system doesn't operate as claimed and it doesn't matter how much evidence is provided to you to show that. It must all be dismissed categorically and without question in defense of your deeply cherished belief.
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He's out there with Tim LaHaye. I wonder if people like that are just selling books or if they really believe what they write. I got sucked in by Carlos Castaneda once. After four books I realized I was being conned.
It's embarassing to admit now, but I was probably about half way through the "left behind" series before my experiences at my christian alma mater finally pushed my cognitive dissonance to the level that it was able to override the conditioning that I had been imbued with.

Now, I'm a fairly intelligent guy. Not trying to blow my own horn, but I've routinely placed in the top few percent in standardized tests. If it can take someone like me half their life to finally come around and see christianity for the societal control instrument that it is then what chance do the majority of the population have?

I'm sure the theists won't understand this comment, but I am actually empathetic to their situation. I realize that most of them will never overcome (like I have) what they were taught as children. And they will never experience the world as I have, living their whole lives in pursuit of an afterlife dellusion that will never come.

I also hope those atheists here that were never believers take stories like mine (and yours) to heart when considering this problem. What is at stake here is the future of humanity. We will either emerge into the light of reason or we will descend back into the dark ages and that the outcome of this struggle is still far from certain.
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I too was raised as a Baptist. My grandfather was a hellfire/brimstone preacher. I was witnessing on the streets at 17... by 19, I "deconverted"... it took about 6 months to fully call myself an atheist. I haven't read, heard or seen one thing in the last 30 years that has convinced me to go back to religion... not even the tiniest shred of evidence that points toward a god... any one of them.

Geko, like you, the further away from religion I got, the more I felt bamboozled and stupid. Unfortunately, the ruse is not intentional, so you can't really "blame" your parents for indoctrinating you. They didn't know any better either.

This is a problem with believers. They think that we atheist, just don't understand their beliefs... My own family just thinks "I am lost and strayed from the flock", that I never "really" found god... (no true scotsman). Or they think that we are just angry at god. They never get it.

ALL CHRISTIANS ARE ATHEISTS!!!! when it comes everyone else's gods. Yet the christian god is just as absurd as everyone elses.
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Yep, I posted the odds in a recent evolution thread...
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The total probability of Gorbachev meeting all of the individual probabilities and hidden clues is calculated to be: 1 in 1,797,880,320,000,000,000.
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Any chance you would care to share with us the best 2-3 points made by Mr. Faid...

Would you be willing discuss and defend the specifics of the book?
jim7777b, chance that you'd care to pursue the discussion this time?

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Old 11-18-2012, 07:58   #31
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This is a problem with believers. They think that we atheist, just don't understand their beliefs... My own family just thinks "I am lost and strayed from the flock", that I never "really" found god... (no true scotsman). Or they think that we are just angry at god. They never get it.
It's really difficult to overcome conditioning that starts a birth. Most people have no idea how much that controls their thinking at a subconsciousness level. They subconsciously dismiss any information contrary to what they believe and ascribe disbelief to lack of information, disinformation, having been fooled by the Devil, and all sorts of things. They're incapable of believing that anyone could know the Bible (thee Bible) as well as they did and not believe other than they do. they do not understand they have been conditioned to believe that what the Bible says and what they believe are the same thing.

I got quite upset reading "The Late Great Planet Earth" by Hal Lindsey. He quoted the same scriptures my family liked to quote but he gave them different meanings. It was heresy, or could my families interpretation be heresy? Until then I had been trying to make the Bible fit what I was told. From that point on I began trying to understand what the Bible really meant. I couldn't do that with the King James because every time I started to read a scripture the conditioning kicked in and I immediately knew what it meant. Rather, I knew what I had been told it meant. I got a New Jerusalem Bible that was written in modern readable English rather than some exotic semi-magical language that no one used any more. The conditioning didn't work in modern English. I was able to read the Bible without knowing what every scripture meant before starting to read. It took several years but I eventually reached the undeniable conclusion that the Bible didn't make sense. It was historical fiction. A few facts mixed with a lot of fiction.
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I would rather live my life as if there is a god, and die to find out there isn't, than to live my life as if there isn't, and die to find out there is.
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I would rather live my life as if there is a god, and die to find out there isn't, than to live my life as if there isn't, and die to find out there is.
Pascal's Wager again. New here aren't you?
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I would rather live my life as if there is a god, and die to find out there isn't, than to live my life as if there isn't, and die to find out there is.
There's an entire Pascal's Wager thread that details numerous problems with it. Perhaps you'd care to weigh in there.

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Nice little pie chart and some cute cartoons-----and smartass pilot or not, you are still not smart enough to be God---even your own.
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Have you not heard of the irrisputible truth and power of Gekoism?
I think he finds it discusting
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It may be an old quote but, it is no less true and no less profound than when first spoken. Every knee will bow one day, whether they want to or not. That's an older one.
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It may be an old quote but, it is no less true and no less profound than when first spoken. Every knee will bow one day, whether they want to or not. That's an older one.
I guess we can take that as a "no"?
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I guess we can take that as a "no"?
I think it's a boo.
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I would rather live my life as if there is a god, and die to find out there isn't, than to live my life as if there isn't, and die to find out there is.
Pascal's Wager; it has more holes in it than a colander.
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