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Old 12-06-2012, 14:28   #261
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...dont carry with one in the pipe ...too dangerous!
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Old 12-06-2012, 14:29   #262
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...dont carry with one in the pipe ...too dangerous!
I think it's way to dangerous NOT to carry one in the pipe.
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Old 12-06-2012, 14:35   #263
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I recently purchased a Gen4 G26 and I'm measuring its trigger pull at 4.5lbs. I thought that was odd, as I've seen people say the Gen4 trigger was heavier than Gen3s. I've watched videos of Gen3s measured between 5.5 and 6.5. And, Glock's current spec is 5.5lbs. I thought maybe I just got lucky with mine.
Did you buy it used or new? There is no way a stock, new, Glock should be 4.5 lbs, AFAIK. Unless Glock's parts tolerances are getting worse and worse. It wouldn't surprise me at this point.

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Old 12-06-2012, 14:39   #264
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I'm sure LampShadeActual meant "for use in guns" when he said " it's not a lubricant "...
Right, that's why I said I don't use it as a "gun" lube.
When the Glock copper XXXX wears off that's it.

But in itself it is a lube, on Mercedes & other cars that
use small brake shoes on the inside of the rear brake
rotors for the E brake we use the copper lube on the backing
plate friction points as it stays put and won't wash out.
In this application pressure in minimal so it is a lube &
not an anti sieze. It's also good on front caliper sliding bolts.

But enough off topic, suffice to say the Glock copper
substance must have enough lubricative properties
as most shooters take their guns out of the box &
shoot then with only that on the friction points.
Otherwise they wouldn't use it for the last 20 years.
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Old 12-06-2012, 14:46   #265
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Page 37 of you Glock manual under "Cleaning and Field stripping the pistol"

Note that the copper colored lubricant found on portions of the slide of brand new GLOCK pistols should not be removed as it will help to provide long term lubrication of the slide."
They said "lubricant"..............uh oh. .

And long term lubrication, That's twice in one paragraph
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Old 12-06-2012, 14:50   #266
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Did you buy it used or new? There is no way a stock, new, Glock should be 4.5 lbs, AFAIK. Unless Glock's parts tolerances are getting worse and worse. It wouldn't surprise me at this point.
Sorry, yeah, it was new. Full disclosure, due to the shape of the trigger, and having to depress the trigger safety, I have been measuring from the tip of the trigger. That may be giving me a false reading. Maybe I'd better tape the safety down and try again...
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Old 12-06-2012, 14:56   #267
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Sorry, yeah, it was new. Full disclosure, due to the shape of the trigger, and having to depress the trigger safety, I have been measuring from the tip of the trigger. That may be giving me a false reading. Maybe I'd better tape the safety down and try again...
You betcha. That's Glock's old way of measuring when they called their minus (-) connector '3.5lb'. Now, that same connector (when the trigger pull is measured in the right spot) achieves 4.5lb actual. Using tha same formula, your 26 likely measures 5.5lb - which it should with the dot (.) connector.
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I had a conversation today with one of my buddies that had worked at the store I purchased from, He said that a lot of the times, if they get a pistol on trade that is basically brand new looking and has everything as new, they will sell it as new. Not used.

They also said that depending on who checks the pistols in and logs them, that they will take them apart and clean all the copper lube etc out of them ahead of time. He made it sound like it was a personal choice of that particular employee that did this.

As far as tinkering with them, he said he had never seen anyone do that, but it wouldn't be a surprise to him if that were the case.....

So I at this point am wondering if they sold me a "NEW" gun that wasnt quite new, or somehow got put with the NEW pistols instead of the used pistols. This G23 definitely looked Brand New In Box to me. It was definitely sold to me as a Brand New Glock 23.
New is New, Used is Used. Good as New is USED. What a horrible thing to do.
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Old 12-06-2012, 14:58   #269
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...dont carry with one in the pipe ...too dangerous!
don't carry a gun.... too dangerous.










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Old 12-06-2012, 15:08   #270
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...dont carry with one in the pipe ...too dangerous!
What are we talking here, PVC, copper, PEX?
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Old 12-06-2012, 15:15   #271
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You betcha. That's Glock's old way of measuring when they called their minus (-) connector '3.5lb'. Now, that same connector (when the trigger pull is measured in the right spot) achieves 4.5lb actual. Using tha same formula, your 26 likely measures 5.5lb - which it should with the dot (.) connector.
That's funny, I was telling you about that
when I checked my 23's pull.
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Old 12-06-2012, 15:43   #272
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I had a conversation today with one of my buddies that had worked at the store I purchased from, He said that a lot of the times, if they get a pistol on trade that is basically brand new looking and has everything as new, they will sell it as new. Not used.
Why would a gun shop even consider selling a used gun as new!? The serial number of the gun is written on the original handgun permit at point of sale. That handgun serial number is traceable back to the original permit. If there is ever a safety issue with that handgun and the serial number is traced back to reveal that a used gun was sold as new, the gun shop who sold it as new would be liable for any damages/deaths caused by that handgun. The liability assumed far outweighs the few extra dollars earned by selling a used gun as new. I guess "Stupid is as stupid does".
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Old 12-06-2012, 15:49   #273
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That's funy, I was telling you about that when I checked my 23's pull.
Yep, I thought of you when I read that post.
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Old 12-06-2012, 16:27   #274
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Obviously not there, obviously no first hand knowledge.

If you tell me a Glock left Gaston's place with so little engagement of the trigger bar and firing pin tang, it tingles my BS meter.

If the drop safety shelf doesn't keep the trigger bar from dropping off the tang, you double my BS meter tingle.

Now you add in that since #1 and #2 failed and the striker was released. AND the gun fired because #3 the firing pin safety spring was bent and not functioning the firing pin safety designed to prevent precise that exact such accidental firing.

On calm reflection, not giving a rats shinny axx either way, you have just asked me to believe too many items in a chain. To believe that story runs counter to the usual wisdom that the simplest answer is almost always the true one. All three mechanical systems were misfitted or failed or damaged in assembly at the factory???

I think not. I don't know what did happen, but I think that the chain of #1, #2, #3 did not happen.
Most any safety engineer or safety manager at a large company will tell you that it is almost always a series of failures that leads to an incident.

The heavy metal object was tilted on it's side and not secured. The guy walking by bumped into it. Heavy metal object falls onto guy's foot. Guy is not wearing safety shoes and gets toes crushed.

Break any link in the chain of failures and the accident doesn't happen. Also known as the swiss cheese model.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_cheese_model
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Old 12-06-2012, 16:30   #275
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SAFETY WARNING! Worn Leather Holsters Can Cause Accidental Discharges!
On Glocks...

I've had plenty of well broken-in holsters for M1911s and they would not cause an AD/ND... Hell, some of the holsters didn't even cover the trigger and they never had an AD/ND... Must be that superior, more advanced, safety system of the M1911s...

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Old 12-06-2012, 16:41   #276
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I bought a new Gen 4 19 and didn't like the ribbed trigger. So i ordered a new Gen 4 17 smooth trigger. When I installed this trigger I noticed that as I pulled the trigger without a magazine in the gun it pulled the slide down toward the frame. It was like the end plate was pulling down on the striker lug as it pushed it back. It did not do this with the stock trigger. I polished the new trigger and the part that rubs against the striker pin lug. This help a lot. I also bought the orange inspection plate and noticed that the new trigger bar was about 1/3 below the lug where the stock trigger was flush with the lug.
After reading this thread I put the new trigger in the parts bin and put the stock one back in. The new trigger did not work right from the get go. I have ordered an aftermarket smooth faced trigger. I will check the engagement before I ever fire this gun. I do not want to see anything but full engagement.
This thread has been an eye opener to me and thank you guys for all the info.
I would still would like to know what the hell stacking is after reading 12 pages of posts.

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Old 12-06-2012, 16:43   #277
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Stacking= A card move in Vegas that gets you killed.
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lol, good reply
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Murphys law... that's why I don't ever carry one in the pipe...
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Murphys law... that's why I don't ever carry one in the pipe...
I promise if you ever meet up with a bad guy and he has a gun, you can bet money he's carrying with one in the pipe.
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