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Old 12-02-2012, 17:15   #21
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Patrol works 4 on 4 off. We have 4 districts and each district has 10 patrol teams. Even numbered teams work on the same days while odd numbered teams work together. Each team has a sergeant and anywhere from 8-12 constables depending on the district (at full strength if no one has taken time off or is on a course etc)

Teams 1 and 2 work straight days
A 430-1445 HRS 11 1/4 hrs

The rest of the teams work the following (same shift for the entire week and then move to the next shift time the following week:

B 0645-1745 11 hrs
C 1345-0045 11 hrs
D 1545-0345 12 hrs
E 1845-0545 11 hrs

We are usually back in the office 45 minutes before end of shift provided things aren't too busy.

We end up owing 32 hours a year which are made up by 4 team training days (8 hour shifts) throughout the year.

I like working as a team because you always work with the same people. We have our conflicts at times. Most teams have payroll deductions for a squad fund which pay for our own Christmas parties, summer BBQs, after shift gatherings, etc. Occasionally we challenge other teams (within and outside the district) and play soccer, indoor hockey, etc. Depending on call load we even organize our own team training on shift as well.
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Old 12-04-2012, 14:50   #22
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That sounds terrible. I hit my max of 460 hours and I've got 420 hours of comp time, which can be used as time off.

We can also accrue more than the max as long as we used it by December 31st.
The amount of vacation time you can hold increases with each step increase on the payscale. I started out only holding 13days. Not sure what the max tops out at.
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Old 12-04-2012, 15:47   #23
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The amount of vacation time you can hold increases with each step increase on the payscale. I started out only holding 13days. Not sure what the max tops out at.
We can all hold the same amount, but you accrue it at a faster rate after 5, 10, and 15 years.

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Old 12-04-2012, 17:55   #24
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We can all hold the same amount, but you accrue it at a faster rate after 5, 10, and 15 years.
They screwed us 5 years ago and went to 8.4hrs per month like the 8-5 mon-fri city employees instead of 12. Thats not even one full day off per month. I didn't have enough time in to be grandfathered in and keep my 12hrs per month.

That ticked alot of people off.
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Old 12-04-2012, 22:59   #25
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I love it. Our team has 13 officers, sergeant and lieutenant. Any complaint or problem goes directly to our sgt. who addresses it. We work the same days and times every week. Sat-tues 1500-0100. Makes taking long vacations very easy and planning part times easy as well.

The only downside is if you get stuck with a sgt you don't like with bad days off. I like the team in on so I have a positive outlook. May be different if the opposite were true. Feel free to ask any questions, ill answer as best I can.


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Old 12-06-2012, 19:16   #26
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I'm glad to hear most of you like the team concept. I really do think that the pros do seem to outweigh the cons but I have to agree with articulate. I think in our case there is a good chance of failure with the team stuff. It was pretty much thrown together at the last possible second and is being implimented with extremely short staffing. There is ZERO relief factor built into the team system in my District. If I remember correctly my Commander stated he estimated us to be 13 Officers short to really make this work but the Chiefs did not care and said to make it work anyway.

My team will actually be running short for at least 6 months and possibly be two down for most the year if one of the guys on my team gets a promotion that opened up recently.
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Old 12-06-2012, 19:23   #27
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If someone gets sick and someone is already on vacation we are below minimum staffing as established by command and have to have someone from the previous shift stay over and someone from the next come in early.

That is the result of the city shorting us on people, a bloated top heavy command and too many people in special units.

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If someone gets sick and someone is already on vacation we are below minimum staffing as established by command and have to have someone from the previous shift stay over and someone from the next come in early.

That is the result of the city shorting us on people, a bloated top heavy command and too many people in special units.

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Ya it really only works well if you have a good number of officers and sergeants that establish a reasonable minimum staffing level.

Our team is 13 officers and we decided as a team with our sergeant that 6 would be our minimum staffing. Rarely if ever do we only have 6 that show up for a shift though, usually 1-2 on vacation a week or at some kind of training and guys hardly ever call in sick. It works well, the main thing is to discuss it with sergeant and not let your whole team ask off (like during holidays)


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