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Old 11-24-2012, 17:54   #26
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While growing up, my dad had an Ithaca model 37 Featherlight. He used it for deer and small game season. It was also his H.D shotgun. He had a rifle front sight put on it with an aperture rear sight. He had this done back in the 1960’s.

As a youngster, my first shotgun for hunting was a Winchester 140. I hated that shotgun and used my dad’s shotgun every chance I got. After my dad died, I sold the Winchester 140. No reason to keep something around you don’t use or like.

After I turned 18 years old, I bought a used Mossberg 500. Then a couple of years later I bought a new Remington 870 SP. I had a rifle front sight and an aperture rear sight installed on it. After 3 years I sold it. I just didn’t like it.

I settled on the Mossberg 500. I have owned a few more since. A few weeks ago, I bought my first Mossberg 590A1 for a H.D. shotgun.

Next year, I plan on buying another Mossberg 500 with an aperture rear sight with a rail and an 18.5” barrel with a rifle front sight as a short shotgun and a slug barrel with a rifle front sight for deer season.

Everybody has their own preferences. You just need to figure out which one you shoot the most and why. Then it will all come together for you.
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Old 11-24-2012, 19:44   #27
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I own a mossberg 500 and really like it. I think the action cycles and feels smoother on the 870s, but I much prefer the location of the controls on the mossberg. Good luck
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Old 11-24-2012, 22:31   #28
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The Remington design is smoother(IMO) for no other reason that the "shell lifter"(or whatever nomenclature Remington or Mossberg use) is not, 100% mechanically actuated by racking the gun. In the Remington, it is "tripped" by the action but truly lifted by springs. This allows the Remington to be "smoother" for the most part.

That being said, I'd reckon the Mossberg style shell lifter will work longer since it isn't dependent on springs. Plus, the default up position of the lifter in the Mossberg allows for easier loading.

The controls on the Mossberg are just better, in my opinion. It really isn't even close. Unless you want a pistol grip stock, then the Mossberg is NOT user friendly.

I prefer the steel receiver of the Remington even though I understand, logically, it doesn't matter since in the Mossberg the steel bolt locks directly to the steel barrel extension. The Remington just feels better.

Either will do, methinks............
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Old 11-25-2012, 06:07   #29
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Firstly, mossbergs aren't all made in one place, in one design. You're talking about picking a company, and basing all you're firearm choices off the company, not that great. Every company shines, and dims in 1 subject or another. At least remington and mossberg, both make great shotguns. For training, and standardization, the biggest thing I'd see that changes, is the mossberg tang safety on the 500/590. I think it's the 500 bantam that has a cross bolt safety? Mossberg isn't even standardized in how they do things. I rarely used my safety on my mossberg, unless it was on a course of fire. Otherwise, I left it chamber empty, hammer down. Rack it, and rock it. That works for mossbergs, or remingtons, pumps.

What finally sold me on the remington vs mossberg arguement, was a couple things. The mossberg, I could get with interchangable barrels (18" open and 22-24" (cant remember exactly), modified chokes), for the same price. Also, the mossberg doesn't have that silly loading gate in the way to pinch your finger when you're loading. When it was my first shotgun, that was huge. Now, I've had a semi-auto for a while, you just learn to manuver your hand. I put everything I wanted onto the mossberg for cheaper than I could have gotten either one of them, set up from the factory. My sights weren't as nice, was the only draw-back. For shotgun ranges, I didn't need 1000 yard rifle sights anyway. A decent set of ghost rings was great.

My biggest problem with the 500/590, was the lack of the ability to add a magazine extension. So, if you get the mossberg, get it in the capacity you want. Remington, watch your loading thumb. Either way, post pics. We like porn.
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Old 11-27-2012, 16:39   #30
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Something that made me choose Remington over the Mossberg was the position of the safety and a replacement stock I was going to install.

The Mossberg has a tang safety which is great IF you stick with a conventional stock -- you just move it with your shooting hand thumb. However, if you're going to change it to a pistol gripped stock of any sort then it's in the wrong position to reach without moving your trigger hand.

The Remington's safety is on the trigger guard and is therefore able to be reached with a pistol gripped stock.

Good luck, they're both great guns!
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Old 11-27-2012, 17:32   #31
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Remington is my choice.
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Old 11-28-2012, 03:28   #32
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Both are great and both will serve you well, just personal preference. I prefer the Mosseberg 500 myself. I like where the controls are located better on the Mossberg than the Remington.
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Old 11-28-2012, 05:35   #33
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Just save yourself the trouble and angst and buy a Benelli M2 or M4 if you can swing the dough.
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Old 11-28-2012, 07:44   #34
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I won't reiterate what has been said on here about choosing which one you like best, but it is true. I personally cut my teeth on the 870 so I guess I have a soft spot for it, and it would be my choice, but that's just me.
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Old 11-28-2012, 13:16   #35
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I use my 590 for HD. I'm used to Mossberg from the times I spent in Security Forces when I was a young sailor so it was an easy choice for me.
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Old 11-28-2012, 13:49   #36
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I chose the Remington 870 because thats what they issued on the job. I was familier and very comfortable with it so why change.
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Old 11-28-2012, 13:52   #37
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I have owned several Mossbergs, purely for resale. I would never use anything for myself other than Remington. The Mossbergs just aren't as solid and reliable; they aren't as easy to repair; and they don't have the availablity of unlimited tube extension and the accessories and parts of Remington.
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Old 11-28-2012, 13:54   #38
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What finally sold me on the remington vs mossberg arguement, was a couple things. The mossberg, I could get with interchangable barrels (18" open and 22-24" (cant remember exactly), modified chokes), for the same price.
Remington offers the same - you can even get the with Rem-choke barrels.

How about magazine tube extensions on those Mossbergs? I can extend my Remington magazines as far as I want for $20-50.
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Old 11-28-2012, 17:13   #39
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IS it just me, or when you guys read the thread title, do hear an old AARP/VFW gun shop buzzard saying "REMINTON" in that way they do?
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IS it just me, or when you guys read the thread title, do hear an old AARP/VFW gun shop buzzard saying "REMINTON" in that way they do?
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Old 11-28-2012, 18:08   #41
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Go with the Mossberg 590A1 that holds 8+1.

You'll thank me.
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Old 11-29-2012, 11:57   #42
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Currently, I'm leaning towards the Mossberg 590a1 based on:

Parkerized finish
8+1 capacity
Better sights
Better ergonomics of controls
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Just save yourself the trouble and angst and buy a Benelli M2 or M4 if you can swing the dough.
Not to open a huge can of worms....

but ...
  1. What makes a Benelli a better choice for home-defense than either of these 2 guns?
  2. Is semi-auto really a more prudent choice than a pump-action shotgun for home-defense?
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Old 11-29-2012, 12:37   #44
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It's like asking if chocolate is better than vanilla.

For me, I go with the Mossberg, mostly because of the tang safety. I've shot a lot of skeet and trap with Red Labels that have the tang safety, so it's a reflex action for me to thumb the safety off on the way up to the shoulder. The cross bolt deal with the Remington is tough for me to get used to, just like the one on my Benelli Super-Nova that will be going on sale when I get home. Nice gun, but just not for me and I've already "replaced" it with a 590.
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Old 11-29-2012, 13:04   #45
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2 cents from a person who used Mossbergs in the military and Remingtons as a police officer and as a person who owned both at home. And on a side note I also owned a both shotguns in semiauto. (Remington 1187 and a Mossberg 930SPX tactical)

A bad guy stopped by a shotgun will never know what killed him. Both are reliable, combat proven, devastating, versatile and intimidating.

Here is what I have figured out over the years...

Mossberg =
aluminum receiver, landing gear is also aluminum, nuff said.
ambidextrous tang safety
slide release behind the trigger guard
shell elevator bar retracts into the receiver when loading ammo
590 model has the infamous bayonet mount!

Remington =
steel receiver, nuff said.
traditional cross bar safety (non ambidextrous)
slide release is located in front of the trigger guard
spring loaded load gate that pushes back on your finger when loading

Everything else from here can be changed. furniture, sights, accessories, slings, finish etc etc.

I like both and I am proficient with both. That being said, both need alot of practice/training to be proficient under stress adrenaline and fear.

Malfunctions will often be operator error and not a failure of the shotgun. But they are man made machines and parts do break under hard use so train to fix the problem and always have a NY reload.

Personal preference? I lean a bit more towards the Mossberg for its ambi safety and retracting elevator bar. My fingers have been pinched pretty bad under stress with the 870 but thats more of an operator issue.

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Not to open a huge can of worms....

but ...
  1. What makes a Benelli a better choice for home-defense than either of these 2 guns?
  2. Is semi-auto really a more prudent choice than a pump-action shotgun for home-defense?
1.) I got nothin. Either way, it's cheaper, and bullet-proof. Both these guns are rock solid, all the time. I've seen em break, but it's always amazing.
2.) If you've tested and patterned your load to know it will always cycle in that gun when you need it, it's not a bad choice. Alot of them are also sensitive to your hold to cycle reliable. A pump, however, can easily be fired from any awkward position, and will cycle reliably with about any load your going to stick in it. I use a semi-auto for HD, it's what I have. I definitely wouldn't feel inadequate with a 500 or 870, at all.
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Not to open a huge can of worms....

but ...
  1. What makes a Benelli a better choice for home-defense than either of these 2 guns?
  2. Is semi-auto really a more prudent choice than a pump-action shotgun for home-defense?
Why is a semi-auto rifle superior to a pump action or lever action rifle for HD?

Prudent? Based on what criteria? Cost--certainly not. Awesome reliability, tough, super high quality firearm? Sure... Manual of arms is only slightly different than a pump. Not harder--just different. Easier to switch ammo too.
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Why is a semi-auto rifle superior to a pump action or lever action rifle for HD?

Prudent? Based on what criteria? Cost--certainly not. Awesome reliability, tough, super high quality firearm? Sure... Manual of arms is only slightly different than a pump. Not harder--just different. Easier to switch ammo too.
?

Your reply, while interesting, is a bit confusing. Can you clarify what you are saying or trying to say? I value most opinions and appreciate it.
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Remington =
steel receiver, nuff said.
traditional cross bar safety (non ambidextrous)
safety located in front of the trigger guard
spring loaded load gate that pushes back on your finger when loading
I think you mistyped. The Remington safety is behind the trigger guard, the slide release is in front.
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I think you mistyped. The Remington safety is behind the trigger guard, the slide release is in front.
Good catch. I did mess up. I fixed it now.

Additionally, for those who might be interested...I found that the Benelli SuperNova Tactical actually had some of the best of both worlds when it came to features.

It had some features of a Mossberg (retracting load gate) and a Remington (slide release forward of the trigger) and a Winchester 1300 (rotating 3 lug bolt head) and a durable polymer coating like a Glock mag.

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