[Kingarthurhk]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/11/26...g-to-save-dog/

Ironically, the only survivor was the dog. When people overly anthropomorphize animals into pseudo-humans, this sort of thing happens. No dog is worth the death of an entire family.

[fnfalman]

Originally Posted by Kingarthurhk

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/11/26...g-to-save-dog/

Ironically, the only survivor was the dog. When people overly anthropomorphize animals into pseudo-humans, this sort of thing happens. No dog is worth the death of an entire family.

That may be your personal belief, but it isn't mine.

I'd risk my life to save my pets. I don't necessarily feel the same about other humans or even some of my own family members.

[clancy]

Originally Posted by Kingarthurhk

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/11/26...g-to-save-dog/

Ironically, the only survivor was the dog. When people overly anthropomorphize animals into pseudo-humans, this sort of thing happens. No dog is worth the death of an entire family.

You have never met my in-laws. And I mean it.

[Kingarthurhk]

Originally Posted by fnfalman

That may be your personal belief, but it isn't mine.

I'd risk my life to save my pets. I don't necessarily feel the same about other humans or even some of my own family members.

That is some really sad priorities that you value animal life above humans and your own family. Are you vegan, and do you avoid all animal products? If not, it would appear your ethics and priorities are more tangled than twenty year old christmas lights.

[fnfalman]

Originally Posted by Kingarthurhk

That is some really sad priorities that you value animal life above humans and your own family. Are you vegan, and do you avoid all animal products? If not, it would appear your ethics and priorities are more tangled than twenty year old christmas lights.

What does my being a carnivore have to do with my pets?

Do you eat your pets on a regular basis?

My pets give me comfort and entertainment. My pets don't vote for Democrats or Republicans. My pets don't go and rape & kill others because of religious beliefs.

[debbert]

I like my dog more than I like most people. She will protect me, and I will protect her, if I can.

[Gallium]

Originally Posted by Kingarthurhk

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/11/26...g-to-save-dog/

Ironically, the only survivor was the dog. When people overly anthropomorphize animals into pseudo-humans, this sort of thing happens. No dog is worth the death of an entire family.

I heard this on the news, and was wondering what time Bren was going to start the thread.

I don't think your narration of what transpired is entirely accurate.

• "Boy" is a 16 yr old.
• He threw a stick in the ocean, the dog went to get it
• The boy went to get the dog (1st bad idea)
• The dad went to get the boy.
• The boy emerged from the water, did not see his dad
• Mom and boy went to find dad
• All three perish
• The dog (very naturally) is upwind a bit wondering where everyone is.

Very very tragic. When I was 12yrs old I MIGHT have gone in after my dog as well. We don't know the mindset of the boy, and/or his level of emotional development/maturity.

[Kingarthurhk]

Originally Posted by fnfalman

What does my being a carnivore have to do with my pets?

Do you eat your pets on a regular basis?

My pets give me comfort and entertainment. My pets don't vote for Democrats or Republicans. My pets don't go and rape & kill others because of religious beliefs.

If you are a carnivore, then clearly you can distinguish that animal life is expendable for the use of humans. Therefore, valuing animal life about human life doesn't work. Like I said, 20 year old Christmas lights.

If it was a choice between my wife and children and the dog, the dog goes.

It must be too much city living, I don't get it.

[Calico Jack]

Originally Posted by Kingarthurhk

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/11/26...g-to-save-dog/

Ironically, the only survivor was the dog. When people overly anthropomorphize animals into pseudo-humans, this sort of thing happens. No dog is worth the death of an entire family.

Did you read the entire article?

[Kingarthurhk]

Originally Posted by Gallium

I heard this on the news, and was wondering what time Bren was going to start the thread.

I don't think your narration of what transpired is entirely accurate.

• "Boy" is a 16 yr old.
• He threw a stick in the ocean, the dog went to get it
• The boy went to get the dog (1st bad idea)
• The dad went to get the boy.
• The boy emerged from the water, did not see his dad
• Mom and boy went to find dad
• All three perish
• The dog (very naturally) is upwind a bit wondering where everyone is.

Very very tragic. When I was 12yrs old I MIGHT have gone in after my dog as well. We don't know the mindset of the boy, and/or his level of emotional development/maturity.

It all started with the teenager running off to "save dear doggie". That has to be a value that is taught and observed. Ask a rancher about dogs. If they became expensively injured, you dig a hole. You don't run down to the local animal clinic and mortage the ranch.

[Kingarthurhk]

Originally Posted by PurplePirate

Did you read the entire article?

Yes, I read the article. The value taught to the teenager is "doggie is human" started this whole chain of unfortunate events.

[fnfalman]

Originally Posted by Kingarthurhk

If you are a carnivore, then clearly you can distinguish that animal life is expendable for the use of humans. Therefore, valuing animal life about human life doesn't work. Like I said, 20 year old Christmas lights.

If it was a choice between my wife and children and the dog, the dog goes.

It must be too much city living, I don't get it.

Not all animals are pets.

I couldn't give a rat's ass if a Japanese cow got killed so that I can have kobe steak and the sweet honey gets a nice handbag. If somebody were to try to kill my pet cow for food, then we'd have some serious problems resulting in death and violence of human beings.

I couldn't give a rat's patooey if my next door neighbor's dog were to drown. However, I'd risk my life to save my dog.

I don't have a wife, but if I were to have one and it's between her and my dog, I'd have to flip a coin. My dog doesn't nag on me. Nor does it want my credit cards to go buy shoes.

I hope that makes it clear for you.

[devildog2067]

Originally Posted by Kingarthurhk

If you are a carnivore, then clearly you can distinguish that animal life is expendable for the use of humans.

You make a fallacious assumption. I'm guessing that fnfalman would agree wtih the idea that not all animal life (and not all human life) has the same value.

I wouldn't eat my pets. I wouldn't kill my family. But I would eat some animals and I would kill some people.

[fnfalman]

Originally Posted by Kingarthurhk

Yes, I read the article. The value taught to the teenager is "doggie is human" started this whole chain of unfortunate events.

So, you'd save a drowning terrorist Islamist over a drowning dog?

[devildog2067]

Originally Posted by Kingarthurhk

It all started with the teenager running off to "save dear doggie". That has to be a value that is taught and observed. Ask a rancher about dogs. If they became expensively injured, you dig a hole. You don't run down to the local animal clinic and mortage the ranch.

Isn't that a choice that each person should get to make on his or her own?

I'm with you, I think I generally would not risk my own life to save my dog and if it came down to my dog or my wife, the dog would go. But I don't presume to make that choice for other people, and there are definitely some dogs I'd save before some people. I definitely wouldn't presume to tell someone else how much money they should spend trying to save their own pet--it's their money and their business.

[fnfalman]

Originally Posted by devildog2067

Isn't that a choice that each person should get to make on his or her own?

I'm with you, I think I generally would not risk my own life to save my dog and if it came down to my dog or my wife, the dog would go. But I don't presume to make that choice for other people, and there are definitely some dogs I'd save before some people. I definitely wouldn't presume to tell someone else how much money they should spend trying to save their own pet--it's their money and their business.

What about your ex-wife?

[Calico Jack]

Originally Posted by Kingarthurhk

Yes, I read the article. The value taught to the teenager is "doggie is human" started this whole chain of unfortunate events.

Can you prove that?

If the kid jumped in for a pair of sunglasses would you say he was taught, "sunglasses are human"?

[trashcat]

People forget that the ocean is not the same as a lake or pond you can't go after a struggling swimmer and do a survival float until rescue arrives. I've been to many of the beaches in that area, they are well known for dangerous undertows, strong surf action, strong currents, and the average water temp is 53-54 degrees.
Never go after a dog in the water, a dog will survival swim better than you who is used to swimming laps in the pool or playing around in the lake.

[HollowHead]

Originally Posted by Kingarthurhk

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/11/26...g-to-save-dog/

Ironically, the only survivor was the dog. When people overly anthropomorphize animals into pseudo-humans, this sort of thing happens. No dog is worth the death of an entire family.

Were you bitten as a child, or did the dog simply not play with you? HH

[NeverMore1701]

Originally Posted by HollowHead

Were you bitten as a child, or did the dog simply not play with you? HH

Or the dog turned down his amorous advances?

[Travelin' Jack]

I don't see that as the value of animal versus human life.

Would you risk your life to save a life that you love? I would. That includes many people... and my dog.

[treeline]

Yeah, screw the dog. You know who pushes the line that dogs are equivilent to humans? Athiests. It's yet another way of spitting on God.

Nah, I'm just tweeking your bum. This is a wierd thread though and I'm sure there's a religious priciple behind all the dogophobia.

[Calico Jack]

Originally Posted by Travelin' Jack

I don't see that as the value of animal versus human life.

Would you risk your life to save a life that you love? I would. That includes many people... and my dog.

This pretty much sums up my feelings on the situation. Would I save my dog before saving my wife or child? No, but I would try my damnedest to save my dog after I saved my wife or child.

[itisbruno]

My dog can swim.








Hell, he could pull me out with that little stick.

[Glock20 10mm]

My dogs have a job, if they die in the execution of their job then so be it. I don't get emotionally attached to animals. I respect them, appreciate their service and make their life as comfortable and loving as realistically possible.

But they are not humans, they do not have human thought process and they are low on the hierarchy of value when it comes to life choices.