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Old 11-20-2012, 04:20   #1
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Concealed Carry- A Police Officers Prospective

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Old 11-20-2012, 05:01   #2
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Seriously? This cop thinks he needs to take my gun back to his car and unload it, run the serial# with no probable cause to think it's stolen (how many CCW holders are packing stolen guns?) and then come back and put it in the back seat while I figure out how to clean the sticky Mt. Dew residue from the cupholder off of 15 Golden Sabers?

Nope. That's just paranoia. In my state I'm not required to inform so I don't. That's the law. Officer nervous will just have to learn to be OK with citizens following the law.
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Old 11-20-2012, 05:06   #3
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I can appreciate his keen intent to get home safe, but I disagree with his methodology, and his warped perception that 99.99% of officers who wish to assume control of the gun will want it to be handed to them.

If he meant that 99.99% of officers will want to take control of the gun, I also disagree with that premise. Realizing that statistical data is not supplanted by anecdotal experience, I won't even bother highlighting my own DWA stops.

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Old 11-20-2012, 05:10   #4
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His thoughts are different from the VA state troopers I have dealt with on a few occasions, I have only been stopped a few times, the first one wasn't a bit concerned, didn't even ask where it was. The second one that I told about my gun just smiled and told me " don't show me yours and I won't show you mine"

I wouldn't like having my gun taken during a stop but I wouldn't cause a fuss over it either. May tell him since he's taking mine I'd like to hold on to his during the stop.

The only thing I didn't agree on him saying was that he would be upset cause you didn't tell him when it's not required by law. He should work to have the law changed if he don't like it, not get mad at whoever he just stopped.
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Old 11-20-2012, 05:16   #5
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Please, please, please, leave a note on the linked page as well.
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Old 11-20-2012, 05:29   #6
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Say it with me:
"No unnecessary handling of a loaded weapon."
"No unnecessary handling of a loaded weapon."
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Old 11-20-2012, 05:37   #7
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In 15 years as a cop I have never asked to see a CCW'ers gun.

I have on more than one occasion talked with the person about how they like their fun though.
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Old 11-20-2012, 05:40   #8
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In 15 years as a cop I have never asked to see a CCW'ers gun.

I have on more than one occasion talked with the person about how they like their fun though.

I don't think you have enough experience as a cop yet (noob!) to speak intelligently on the matter.

And when you do get enough experience you'll be an old dinosouric fart whose opinion won't matter anyways!

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Old 11-20-2012, 05:45   #9
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Statements like these scare the crap out of me:

"Please understand that police work is not a science, but an art."

Detective work may have an artistic element, but standard law enforcement, including traffic stops?

Believing that to be true implies that the statutes are a palette that an officer can use to 'express his creativity' as he wields the power to detain, arrest, and use deadly force.
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Old 11-20-2012, 05:48   #10
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I see valid concerns on the part of the officer for his safety, but the man who
informs the officer and is legally carrying concealed is probably not the one he has to worry about.
Having the gun clear the holster just makes things far more complicated. I can shoot someone far faster when my gun is in my hand and pointed away than when I have to draw it and then aim, so he's not buying himself much safety. And what if the suspect relinquishes his main gun and use his BUG to kill the officer who thinks he is dealing with an unarmed suspect? The practice of taking the suspects gun only makes sense if the suspect is not legally carrying or is displaying an intent to become violent and/or use the gun.
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What's a prospective? Is that like a prospectus?
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Old 11-20-2012, 06:10   #12
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What's a prospective? Is that like a prospectus?

Actually I think a prospective is more like a perspectus...
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Old 11-20-2012, 06:27   #14
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Actually I think a prospective is more like a perspectus...
A perspectus influcks?
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Old 11-20-2012, 08:31   #15
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Say it with me:
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"No unnecessary handling of a loaded weapon."
"No unnecessary handling of a loaded weapon."

^^^ This.

A gun doesn't go off when it's in a holster.
A gun might go off when it's being taken out or put back into a holster, especially when the holster is on a belt. Worse if an IWB holster.

The more people you ask to remove and then reholster their guns, the greater the chance you're going have an AD.
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Old 11-20-2012, 09:22   #16
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I'm not positive but it's interesting that mikesbales, with a location of St Louis, is a username in a couple places, one of which is a Piranaha advocacy board.

http://www.piranha-fury.com/pfury/in...ns-on-piranha/

Take a look at post #7 in that thread:
Posted 10 December 2008 - 09:27 PM (#7) mikesbales
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Old 11-20-2012, 09:22   #17
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Old 11-20-2012, 09:28   #18
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“What if the officer doesn't ask about a weapon in the car, my state doesn't require that I tell him?”

I live in Missouri, and here –like in most states- you do NOT have to tell the officer that you have a weapon in the car unless he asks. That being said if I find out you have a CCW from dispatch or some other way I will not be very happy when I do ask you and find out that you are carrying a weapon. It is ALWAYS best to be straight forward about having a weapon.

Yeah, that guy can go to hell. If I do not have a duty to inform AND have not been asked then an officer has ZERO reason to get pissy about it.

My interactions with the PoPo have been uniformly pleasant, glad I have not run into this kind of jackass.
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Old 11-20-2012, 09:29   #19
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I'm not positive but it's interesting that mikesbales, with a location of St Louis, is a username in a couple places, one of which is a Piranaha advocacy board.

http://www.piranha-fury.com/pfury/in...ns-on-piranha/

Take a look at post #7 in that thread:
Posted 10 December 2008 - 09:27 PM (#7) mikesbales
Class act with a clear respect for authority........
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Old 11-20-2012, 09:33   #20
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"live in Missouri, and here –like in most states- you do NOT have to tell the officer that you have a weapon in the car unless he asks. That being said if I find out you have a CCW from dispatch or some other way I will not be very happy when I do ask you and find out that you are carrying a weapon. It is ALWAYS best to be straight forward about having a weapon"
Interesting that LE does not really respect the law.
I'd say he is in the wrong job.
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I wonder how hard it is for that guy to pull someone over from a Segway...
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Old 11-20-2012, 09:56   #22
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Interesting perspective the officer has on concealed carry. It goes against basic firearms safety rules to handle it the way he does though.

And in the 16 years I've legally carried here in Texas I've been pulled over at least 10 times and never once has the cop asked to even see the handgun.
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There are still LEO out there that don't like the public carrying. Only they are professional enough.
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Author is in the wrong profession.

He is obviously too scared to be a cop. That's a dangerous mix.
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