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Old 11-16-2012, 10:35   #41
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Hard to beat a fixed blade knife, such as the KaBar Glock Field Knife or a Cold Steel. I also like my Louisville slugger wooden bat I've had since I was a kid.

I recently found some metal probes with a stainless end, and I sharpened the end on one of them and found it to be sharp and penetrates easy, only about 3/8 inch diameter.

if I had to go buy something toady for the money, a wooden pick handle would be hard to beat with my Glock Field knife on my belt as backup.
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Old 11-16-2012, 10:48   #42
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One could learn something from MS13 and the skinnies in Africa. The machete is one of THE most effective and feared weapons for close-in work when a gun is not practical or available.
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Old 11-16-2012, 12:55   #43
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what would Conan do?
Duh! He would drive his enemies before him, crush them beneath his feet, and hear the lamentations of their vimmen.
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Old 11-16-2012, 16:00   #44
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There is a reason the pope made the crossbow illegal to use in war.

I am not suggesting the bow/crossbow vs. glock. I am suggesting bow when the other option is a machete/sword.

Even if I only get off one aimed shot before I have to drop the bow and go hand to hand, I am still better off than the person with no distance weapon.

I will try shooting three moving targets.

Tell me how much luck have you had hunting with a machete or sword?
Then we somewhat agree.

Even with a bow, there is no reason not to have a knife/machete/tomahawk/sword/other at hand also.

I have killed many, many animals with a large variety of items other than guns and bows...

...intentionally as in hunting and then out of necessity because that is all I had at the moment...

...including some that were easy, some that were difficult and frightening, and some that happened by mere "luck" if you will...

...including feral cats, feral dogs, racoon, opossum, armadillo, beaver, wild hogs, deer, snakes, squirrel, rabbit, fish, and miscellaneous birds...



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This being said, I would prefer a bow, crossbow or anything that I can use to keep the distance from my attacker.
While I can agree wholeheartedly regarding the use of a bow to wound or kill (eventually) something at a distance...

...my experience indicates that a bow is not to be relied upon "to keep the distance from my attacker"...

Therein lies my disagreement with your earlier post and the reason for my subsequent post.

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Old 11-18-2012, 13:33   #45
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Melee weapons? Do you get a lot of your survival knowledge from Dungeons & Dragons? Nobody else really uses the term "meleee weapons" unless it is leaking into mall ninja land from the large population of D&D playing mall ninjas.
hahahaha! I was thinking something very similar but you said it better.
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Old 11-18-2012, 14:34   #46
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hahahaha! I was thinking something very similar but you said it better.
After I posted that, I actually googled "melee weapons" on the off chance I was wrong and maybe the British used the term or something. Result #1 was Wikipedia:
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The term melee weapon is a neologism, usually absent from scientific and historical scholarship, and apparently deriving from the Dungeons & Dragons roleplaying game.
So for melee weapons to stockpile, I'm going with Bastard Sword...with magical enchantment.
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Old 11-18-2012, 19:51   #47
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Have we totally forgotten what we learned during the zombie discussions in years past?? Crowbar. It wont break like a bat, they are cheap, powerful and a multitasker.
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Old 11-18-2012, 21:14   #48
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Small shovel can be a very deadly weapon

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Old 11-18-2012, 23:20   #49
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If all you had was a shovel.. would you really throw it? I mean come on. I think it would be better served in the hand.

Unless you have half a dozen knives or shovels or tomahawks, axes.... who is going to throw it?
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Old 11-18-2012, 23:32   #50
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If all you had was a shovel.. would you really throw it? I mean come on. I think it would be better served in the hand.

Unless you have half a dozen knives or shovels or tomahawks, axes.... who is going to throw it?
SpetsNaz is trained to use it as a shovel, axe, and throwing weapon.
Plus if you get pulled over with machete and an axe you may have some xplaing to do. Who will bother you if you just have a shovel?


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Old 11-19-2012, 05:29   #51
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Hello all.

I know that this is a gun forum, but this is a survival sub-forum.

There are many conceivable events where a person MIGHT need a melee weapon to survive, if things get bad enough.

For example:

1) You somehow get separated from your firearms and/or ammo in a SHTF event.
2) The government confiscates your firearms and/or ammo, and it is not prudent to resist at that moment (for whatever reason),
3) Your firearms and/or ammo get destroyed (flood, fire, etc).
3) Your firearms break, or crucial parts/accessories break.
4) You eventually run out of ammo, in a prolonged SHTF.
5) Your firearms and/or ammo get stolen.
6) You need a melee weapon to defend yourself without making lots of noise.
7) You need to take weapons into "gun-free" zones.

These are all potentially valid reasons, however unlikely. You can probably think of other scenarios as well.

Now, I've never really owned or researched any modern melee weapons, aside from small folding knives.


What kind of melee weapons would it make sense to stockpile? Are there better types for different situations?

I want the most effective, most practical, most deadly choices. Nothing unnecessarily fancy or expensive.

Discuss.
Number 2 is never ever going to happen..At least mine anyway.
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Old 11-19-2012, 06:00   #52
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The Spetsnaz do pretty well with an entrenching tool.
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Old 11-21-2012, 21:50   #53
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As much as I love the long blade and pole weapons, how would I carry one around? A full-sized spear won't even fit in my car.
A Cold Steel Bushman make a decent camp knife and you can easily turn it into a spear (assuming there are trees where you live). I have one I vacuum sealed (seal-a-meal) that is part of my emergency kit in the trunk of my car. Cheap and effective.




For hunting/self defense with a hand held weapon it is hard to beat a short spear. A bow is even better, but that takes skill and is not a "melee" weapon.
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Old 11-21-2012, 21:56   #54
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So for melee weapons to stockpile, I'm going with Bastard Sword...with magical enchantment.
Be sure to get a flaming sword so you can start your camp fire with it. Or would a frost weapon be better for keeping meat from spoiling? Decisions, decisions.

D&D would be so handy for a survivalist. Got a sucking chest wound, no Doctor around? Don't worry, just drink a potion.

It is funny how overpowered most video games make a guy with a knife.

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The game is filled to its gunwales with shooter ridiculousness. The most terrifying enemy in the game, for instance, is a guy with a knife. He runs at you, with his knife, across a battlefield whistling with small-arms fire. Your squad mates will alert you to the knife guy's presence, which is never not hilarious. Everyone's got automatic weapons and the dude with a knife is the single most terrifying enemy onscreen.
http://kotaku.com/5925548/in-a-world...-knife-is-king
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Old 11-22-2012, 06:39   #55
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Number 2 is never ever going to happen..At least mine anyway.
If the government decides to take your guns, they will take your guns - "cold dead fingers" comes to mind. However, in the case of 99.9999% of the people saying things like this, as soon as half a dozen armed police show up, they'd be taking them to the guns and helping to load them in the truck. Directly resisting when they show up at your house can only end with you dead or in prison. "Live to fight another day" is a more realistic philosophy when there is no way to win.
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Old 11-22-2012, 06:41   #56
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A Cold Steel Bushman make a decent camp knife and you can easily turn it into a spear (assuming there are trees where you live). I have one I vacuum sealed (seal-a-meal) that is part of my emergency kit in the trunk of my car. Cheap and effective.

For hunting/self defense with a hand held weapon it is hard to beat a short spear. A bow is even better, but that takes skill and is not a "melee" weapon.
I was just thinking,. last time I watched walking dead, that a spear is the perfect zombie weapon - quiet, has some reach and never runs out of ammo.
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Old 11-24-2012, 09:31   #57
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LOL at this thread. My vote for funniest in awhile.

If you've ever seen a greenhorn puke his guts out at the sight of a deer being gutted, you can imagine how well he would do in a bloody edged weapon fight.

Side note guys: a baseball bat is an awful weapon. It's heavy, slow, unbalanced, and requires a swinging motion that leaves you very exposed. Save the baseball bats for baseball. And katanas? Lmao.

As for my preferred "melee" weapon: I'm thinking a big halberd like the Swiss guards use. That with some tights and a funny hat and I'll be the coolest at the mall dress up survival party.

See y'all at the melee.
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Old 11-24-2012, 11:21   #58
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Easy choice Light Sabre!!!!!
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Old 11-24-2012, 15:41   #59
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Easy choice Light Sabre!!!!!
Now that would be cool. Except if the damn thing turned on while jammed in your waist band.........
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Old 11-24-2012, 16:40   #60
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LOL at this thread. My vote for funniest in awhile.

If you've ever seen a greenhorn puke his guts out at the sight of a deer being gutted, you can imagine how well he would do in a bloody edged weapon fight.

Side note guys: a baseball bat is an awful weapon. It's heavy, slow, unbalanced, and requires a swinging motion that leaves you very exposed. Save the baseball bats for baseball. And katanas? Lmao.

As for my preferred "melee" weapon: I'm thinking a big halberd like the Swiss guards use. That with some tights and a funny hat and I'll be the coolest at the mall dress up survival party.

See y'all at the melee.
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