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11-18-2012, 16:34
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to the folks who say 9mm would never equal 357
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11-18-2012, 16:37
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Does it shoot 158 grainers at 1500fps?
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11-18-2012, 16:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WiskyT
Does it shoot 158 grainers at 1500fps?
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...that it does not do,,,, but energy wise its neck and neck with 357
what do your 158 grainers come in at energy wise?
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11-18-2012, 16:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kswiss
...that it does not do,,,, but energy wise its neck and neck with 357
what do your 158 grainers come in at energy wise?
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Man, you're probably gonna get lit up soon. You might wanna just go look at .357 mag energy numbers at UW or Buff Bore...
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11-18-2012, 16:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by uz2bUSMC
Man, you're probably gonna get lit up soon. .
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oh well. you know the saying, sticks and stones
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11-18-2012, 16:47
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......yea i may have jumped the gun a little before posting,
have at me boys i probably deserve it,
still impressive for 9mm tho
flamesuit on! 
Last edited by kswiss; 11-18-2012 at 16:48..
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11-18-2012, 16:50
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Great video ...Thanks for the share.
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11-18-2012, 16:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kswiss
......yea i may have jumped the gun a little before posting,
have at me boys i probably deserve it,
still impressive for 9mm tho
flamesuit on! |
You'll be ok.
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11-18-2012, 16:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LASTRESORT20
Great video ...Thanks for the share.
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welcome, sir/maam
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11-18-2012, 16:53
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the 9mm underwood out did this 357 mag
in BOTH velocity AND energy
Last edited by kswiss; 11-18-2012 at 16:55..
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11-18-2012, 17:00
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Yep, in that test. I've really been wanting to use one of these > 
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11-18-2012, 17:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WiskyT
Does it shoot 158 grainers at 1500fps?
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No it doesn't. 
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11-18-2012, 17:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kswiss
...that it does not do,,,, but energy wise its neck and neck with 357
what do your 158 grainers come in at energy wise?
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789 ft/lbs
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11-18-2012, 17:11
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789>501
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11-18-2012, 17:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by clarkz71
789>501
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789!? i wouldnt want to be on the receiving end of that  
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11-18-2012, 17:29
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And per usual with 9mm bullets pushed beyond their velocity limits, the penetration sucks.
Also, 501 ft/lbs doesn't come close to full power .357 Magnum loads. Shoot some 125gr Buffalo Bore .357 loads @ 1700 fps and tell me if these 115gr Underwood loads come close. I'll save you the time: they don't.
Sorry, this thread is a fail.
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11-18-2012, 17:35
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Corbon used to load a 115gr +P+ .38sp that did over 1400fps in a 4" revolver.
They also loaded a +P 110gr .38sp that did over 1410fps in a snubby...
http://www.stoppingpower.net/forum/t...?TOPIC_ID=9596
Those Underwoods are hot, but it's been done before in 9mm and .38sp.
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11-18-2012, 18:05
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I would love to know what kind of powder Kevin is using in those. I wonder what they could run a 38 super up to if they tried.
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11-18-2012, 20:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kswiss
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Underwood's .357 Sig JHPs are 125 grain at 1475 FPS...604 ft/lbs.
Just sayin'.
That said, pretty impressive for 9mm!
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11-19-2012, 07:14
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My Gp100 just threw some handload 158gr bullets an average of 1535 fps for 827 ft-lbs of energy. Compared to the fast 115gr 9mm, it's 40+ grains heavier yet still faster, has considerably better sectional density and will penetrate a lot better as well. The 9mm is a good option, but it's not a .357 Magnum.
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11-19-2012, 07:37
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1430 FPS from a G19? It likely hits 1500 from a G17. Awesome.
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11-19-2012, 07:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SDGlock23
My Gp100 just threw some handload 158gr bullets an average of 1535 fps for 827 ft-lbs of energy. Compared to the fast 115gr 9mm, it's 40+ grains heavier yet still faster, has considerably better sectional density and will penetrate a lot better as well. The 9mm is a good option, but it's not a .357 Magnum.
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You are quite correct, sir. A casual examination of the cartridge cases confirms this. 
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11-19-2012, 09:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WinterWizard
And per usual with 9mm bullets pushed beyond their velocity limits, the penetration sucks.
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When I was new to firearms (not that long ago) I got caught up in velocity/energy numbers without knowing that it's the total cartridge and bullet design that creates effectiveness.
I feel quite comfortable with 9mm for self-defense and although I am currently carrying a +P round I also would feel good about carrying a standard pressure round like HST or Gold Dot, among others.
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11-19-2012, 09:33
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Energy seems to be the real key to stopping power.
A .357 SIG, or .357 Magnum that has only 200 foot pounds of energy would be a dismal stopper.
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11-19-2012, 12:20
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I don't care who it is, or how hard they try - they'll never get the 9x19 cartridge to propel a 158gr SJHP at 1400-1500 FPS. The barrel length won't matter, either.
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Last edited by SCmasterblaster; 11-19-2012 at 12:20..
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