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Old 11-17-2012, 09:51   #261
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Are you a supporter of the carbon-14 dating methodology?

Do you know if the Earth's atmosphere has reached the saturation point of carbon-14 yet?
Where's your empirical evidence you seem to require from everyone else? Demonstrate for the class why there is a saturation point, what the value is? Is the C14 actually going up?

You can just post a link to the creationist apologist web site you're quote mining from if you don't understand a thing about what you're saying, which is becoming painfully obvious. No sense you botching up descriptions of flawed theories.

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Old 11-17-2012, 09:52   #262
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I know what the Sun is, but when speaking only from an empirically derived scientific perspective, one must be guarded before claiming the Sun is "just like other stars" in the Universe.
What empirically is difference between our sun and other stars?

Are you aware that astronomers know a great deal about stars? We can tell their size, their chemical make-up, their temperture, their absolute magnitude and their lifespan!

Do you know they are able to extract this information through several overlapping methods (thus independently varifiable results).

Have you ever seen the Hertzsprung–Russell diagram?

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Spectroscopy?

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...or standard candles, paralax, doppler shift, type 1A supernovae & variable stars (and their significance to determining distances).

There is PLENTY of evidence that our sun is a star. While no 2 stars are precisely the same, there is nothing significantly different about our star... it is a humdrum, main sequence run-of-the-mill star. Certainly nothing that would reclassify it as anything other than a star. If you have any evidence to the contrary, please present it to the Astronomical Union for peer review. Science LOVES opposing opinion. That is how we learn.
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Old 11-17-2012, 09:55   #263
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Where's your empirical evidence you seem to require from everyone else? Demonstrate for the class why there is a saturation point, what the value is? Is the C14 actually going up? ...

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Even the inventor of carbon-14 dating knew there was a saturation point. You're simply trying to dance around the questions. Nice try... but you'd better hurry up and google again. Better luck with your renewed search.

ETA: I asked you two, yes or no questions.

Are you a supporter of the carbon-14 dating methodology?

Do you know if the Earth's atmosphere has reached the saturation point of carbon-14 yet?
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Old 11-17-2012, 09:56   #264
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What empirically is difference between our sun and other stars?

Are you aware that astronomers know a great deal about stars? We can tell their size, their chemical make-up, their temperture, their absolute magnitude and their lifespan!

Do you know they are able to extract this information through several overlapping methods (thus independently varifiable results).

Have you ever seen the Hertzsprung–Russell diagram?

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Spectroscopy?

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...or standard candles, paralax, doppler shift, type 1A supernovae & variable stars (and their significance to determining distances).

There is PLENTY of evidence that our sun is a star. If you have any evidence to the contrary, please present it to the Astronomical Union for peer review. Science LOVES opposing opinion. That is how we learn.
Did you read the title of the thread? Certain folks I'll go tangential with, but others are usually smarter and can avoid it. Hint hint.

Stay on topic...
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Could "contamination" by ground water affect the results of radiometric dating on a given sample supplied for such testing?
Are you suggesting that such "contamination" can not be readily identified in a sample and that researchers can not then correct for such error or eliminate the sample from the sample group altogether as biased due to external processes?
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Old 11-17-2012, 10:13   #266
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...That the Earth is fixed and immobile? ...
I going to assume you are speaking of Psalm 93:1.

A few minutes with a Hebrew lexicon, or a Strong's Concordance, will easily fixed this supposed contradiction.

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... The ability of Koalas to spread like seed and stow away on ships?
What particular chapter and verse in the Holy Bible are you referring to?
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Old 11-17-2012, 10:21   #267
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I'm sorry what do you mean by "still" i have less than 200 post and have never conversed with you before. How in the hell do you even have a previous opinion of me or my character.

Unlike you, I have the ability to recognize that others may be in position where their knowledge of a particular topic may surpass my own. And allowing them to debate said topic would be far more fruitful. you call it being a lemming I call it humility. Your self assurance on the other hand is so overly inflated that I really do believe you suffer from a mental disorder( That's not a joke or an insult,given the way you act I have serious concerns for you mental health).... but yes in real life as well I am capable of recognizing when others may be deserving of my respect, and believe that their opinions carry a high degree of creditability( again i must be such a lemming ). I do not walk around this earth believing that I am the undisputed expert on every topic or that my intelligence is somehow vastly superior to everyone else.You know for a christian, you have absolutely no concept of how to be humble.

My post did not address the bible but instead your arrogance and inability to participate in a rational discussion in which you may actually have to admit that your unqualified opinions are not indisputable. Or did that online school of yours make you an expert in physics to the point where you can totally dismiss the theories of PhD physicist on the formation of stars. Clearly you are just so much smarter than the rest of us .

When provided evidence you dismiss it out of hand. while casting baseless insults at just about everyone in a attempt to distract from the point that you haven't actually provided any actual evidence yourself. your explanations sound like something that could be found on the show "ancient aliens". Proof doesn't constitute statements like "may" or "isn't it possible". you're simply creating highly unlikely yet marginally possible scenarios out of thin air without actual proof that's what happened. yet you assume that that it is EXACTLY what happened, and that your theory is unquestionable. Allowing you to hold onto your preconceived idea of the truth. That's not proof, its a wild ass guess as to what may have happened completely lacking in evidence to support it...

Btw Claiming God made a donkey talk IS NOT ACTUAL SCIENTIFIC PROOF that any donkey ever talked.

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I was right the first time... a lemming. Thanks for sharing.
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Old 11-17-2012, 10:31   #268
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Did you read the title of the thread? Certain folks I'll go tangential with, but others are usually smarter and can avoid it. Hint hint.

Stay on topic...
Yes, I read the entire thread. I am addressing your point that the sun is not a star. How is that off topic?

But you have not addressed a single question in my post. Simply dodged by saying I'm off topic.
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Old 11-17-2012, 12:48   #269
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Now, where were we...? Lucy's knee?
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No, you previously stated that, "I reiterate, all available research I could find indicates that stars cannot form by themselves".

We're still waiting for you to provide any of this wealth of all available research.

Unless, of course, you're admitting that you're unable to provide scientific evidence that stars cannot form and you'd like to move on.
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What is the current topic? Have you abandoned presenting evidence that stars cannot form and decided to move on?

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Old 11-17-2012, 12:51   #270
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Are you a supporter of the carbon-14 dating methodology?
Do you think that carbon-14 dating is used to date the earth?

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Old 11-17-2012, 14:19   #271
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Do you think that carbon-14 dating is used to date the earth?

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Old 11-17-2012, 15:20   #272
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I was right the first time... a lemming. Thanks for sharing.
ah..ok then seeing as how you haven't been right once yet in this thread I'm just gonna let that go. Btw I've really enjoyed the last 11 pages of you making your self look like a blatant idiot who most likely couldn't pass high school biology,physics or even chemistry. Seriously its a comedy at this point and I'm not sure you realize that you're the butt of the joke.

PW- You're a real winner,truly getting a lot out of that online education of yours huh? Remind me, what classes did you take? Your degree is in what? Because as far as I can tell all of your info/opinions about science are coming directly from the internet for wholly unqualified sources( if provided at all).

Now I'll just sit back and continue to watch you be torn apart by just about EVERYONE. I mean that have you noticed that no one is coming to your defense, not one. FFS that are members on this board who are whack job religious and even they don't have your back on this one.....does that tell you nothing?? At any point have you stepped backed and asked yourself why NO ONE agrees with you? Perhaps you're just not as smart as you liked to think you are?

You can call me a lemming ( I've been called worse by people who's opinion I actually respect). But at least I'm not a self-delusional, barely educated fool who doesn't quite grasp BASIC science, yet thinks he's intellectually on par with Stephen Hawkings.

It saddens me to know that people actually have to tolerate you in person. Your personality alone is intolerable.
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Old 11-17-2012, 17:32   #273
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Fixed it for ya!

I never said anything of the like, but before I fixed it, it was the best apology I ever saw you make. You're gettin' soft.
Reduced to changing others words? You truly have reached the nadir haven't you?
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Such an outlandish hypothetical occurrence based on your suppositions so far in this thread.

You will forgive me for not even pretending to respond until you or someone else actually gets close to having something worthy enough to give rise to decent premise on which to base such a question.
I've forgiven you for not responding up to this point, in fact I've come to expect it. Why would now be any different?
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Old 11-18-2012, 20:00   #274
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Even the inventor of carbon-14 dating knew there was a saturation point. You're simply trying to dance around the questions. Nice try... but you'd better hurry up and google again. Better luck with your renewed search.

ETA: I asked you two, yes or no questions.

Are you a supporter of the carbon-14 dating methodology?
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Do you know if the Earth's atmosphere has reached the saturation point of carbon-14 yet?
Never heard anyone even bring this up.

Here's my 2 questions: where's the evidence that the atmosphere is or is not saturated yet. What's the relevance of whether the atmosphere is or is not saturated to carbon-14 dating.

If you're feeling generous, you can even explain what you think saturation of the atmosphere with regards to carbon-14 actually is. Define it, explain how you would determine what the saturation point is. How saturated with C14 is the atmosphere now?

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... Do you know if the Earth's atmosphere has reached the saturation point of carbon-14 yet? ...
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... Never heard anyone even bring this up. ...
Still dancing, but point of order here, the answer from you for this question would be "No," correct?

Right???
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ah..ok then seeing as how you haven't been right once yet in this thread I'm just gonna let that go. Btw I've really enjoyed the last 11 pages of you making your self look like a blatant idiot who most likely couldn't pass high school biology,physics or even chemistry. Seriously its a comedy at this point and I'm not sure you realize that you're the butt of the joke.

PW- You're a real winner,truly getting a lot out of that online education of yours huh? Remind me, what classes did you take? Your degree is in what? Because as far as I can tell all of your info/opinions about science are coming directly from the internet for wholly unqualified sources( if provided at all).

Now I'll just sit back and continue to watch you be torn apart by just about EVERYONE. I mean that have you noticed that no one is coming to your defense, not one. FFS that are members on this board who are whack job religious and even they don't have your back on this one.....does that tell you nothing?? At any point have you stepped backed and asked yourself why NO ONE agrees with you? Perhaps you're just not as smart as you liked to think you are?

You can call me a lemming ( I've been called worse by people who's opinion I actually respect). But at least I'm not a self-delusional, barely educated fool who doesn't quite grasp BASIC science, yet thinks he's intellectually on par with Stephen Hawkings.

It saddens me to know that people actually have to tolerate you in person. Your personality alone is intolerable.
Please re-read this post of yours. Period. (Yeah, even you, meaning YOU, yeah, you'll get "it" eventually... I was right from the get go.)
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Yes, I read the entire thread. I am addressing your point that the sun is not a star. How is that off topic?

But you have not addressed a single question in my post. Simply dodged by saying I'm off topic.
You're way off! For instance, when did I say the Sun was not a star?

Be careful...
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What empirically is difference between our sun and other stars? ...
When we look at the star closest to our own SOLAR SYSTEM, all we see, with the best telescope available at this present time, is basically a "dot of light."

However, when we look at "our" Sun, we can see all kinds of activity and even witness what we refer to as solar flares, which affect us between 8 minutes and up to several days later. We can plan on it due to our empirical scientific observations of the Sun in our galaxy.

Yet, other stars, even the closest ones we can look upon with telescopes, they are merely "dots," or "pinpoints" of light if you will, and we witness NOTHING as we do when we observe our own Sun.

The stars "out there" may be just like our Sun, and or our Sun may be just just like those other stars, but one thing is for sure...

We do not know with empirical scientific certainty that our Sun and those stars are just alike; therefore, they MAY or MAY NOT be alike, we don't really know to an empirical scientific certainty if they are or are not the same.

ETA: Maybe someday we will know, but right now, current Science cannot tell us for sure.
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Dude, I very agnostic, but I might be able to buy into that whole quite woman thing.

It it ever worked???
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Yet, other stars, even the closest ones we can look upon with telescopes, they are merely "dots," or "pinpoints" of light if you will, and we witness NOTHING as we do when we observe our own Sun.
Demonstrably false. This is a visible light image (aka photograph) of Fomalhaut-b. A planet in orbit of a start aproximately 25 light years away. The planet is three times the size of Jupiter and I would concede that the planet itself is a mere "dot" to us, but the star most certainly is not.

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