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Old 11-15-2012, 08:33   #26
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Precision's pricing is similar to Bear Creek, if you buy the Precisions by the case (gotta buy more than 1000...much like MG). I might just try some more of their stuff.

As for plated vs FMJ pricing, in some bullets, the plateds are cheaper. i.e. X-Treme 147gr from TJC are cheaper than any of PD's or MG's 147gr FMJ/CMJ. I've got a little more than 1000 of those X-Tremes left. I don't plan on ordering any more of them.
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Old 11-15-2012, 08:44   #27
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Actually, maybe it was Bayou Bullets where the 200gr RN had a step to it and acted like SWC in a G30. I just looked at a site that had some of the Bear Creek, and his 200gr is a RNHB design that looks like ball ammo with a deep hollow base. I wonder how much more powder that requires vs HP and why they do a hollow base rather than nose.
The S&S Casting 230 gr LRN also has a step like their 200 gr LSWC.

Both of these feed fine in my G21SF and all my other .45s. I use a lot of both of these bullets.

As to the hollow base, perhaps it helps with obturation, especially on lighter loads. I haven't used these HB bullets for 9mm or .45 but I have loaded a lot of 148 gr HBWC for .38 Special and they are extremely accurate at low velocity.

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Old 11-15-2012, 09:16   #28
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Precision's pricing is similar to Bear Creek, if you buy the Precisions by the case (gotta buy more than 1000...much like MG). I might just try some more of their stuff.
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???

For PDs 147gr 9mm, looks like even if you buy 10,000 at once, they're still $101 per 1000 whereas Bear Creek is $75ish for just 1000. That's over $25 per 1000 saved. For every 3000 Bear Creek you shoot, there's a free 1000 bullets. I don't see that as "similar" at all?

http://www.precisiondelta.com/detail...B-9-147-FMJ-TC

If you don't shoot 147grainers but something else like 124/115.... you have to get the Bear Creek price to do a proper comparison, don't use my $75 number for them.

Bear Creek gives a 5% discount when you buy 10,000, 10% at 25K.
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Old 11-15-2012, 19:43   #29
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???

For PDs 147gr 9mm, looks like even if you buy 10,000 at once, they're still $101 per 1000 whereas Bear Creek is $75ish for just 1000. That's over $25 per 1000 saved. For every 3000 Bear Creek you shoot, there's a free 1000 bullets. I don't see that as "similar" at all?

http://www.precisiondelta.com/detail...B-9-147-FMJ-TC

If you don't shoot 147grainers but something else like 124/115.... you have to get the Bear Creek price to do a proper comparison, don't use my $75 number for them.

Bear Creek gives a 5% discount when you buy 10,000, 10% at 25K.
PD = Precision Delta
Precision = Precision Bullets
Precision != PD

Precision Bullets is another moly coated lead manufacturer. They may be one one of the first/oldest. I know they were selling their coated lead bullets long before I started reloading...with the marketing claim that you could drill a hole in their bullet, put it on a hot plate, and watch the lead run out and coating remain intact / shrivel in as it empties out.

At case pricing ($227/3000 delivered) Precision 147s are $75.60/1000. I'll probably try a box of 500 before jumping in for 3000.
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Old 11-15-2012, 20:05   #30
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I've ran through 15K in various calibers from PD.
All GTG.

I have noticed 2 split jackets which load up and shot just fine!
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Old 11-15-2012, 21:15   #31
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My order shipped wens. So its the waiting game
.. I just checked PD's site and noticed a price increase across the board,since tues.:sly:

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PD = Precision Delta
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Precision Bullets is another moly coated lead manufacturer. They may be one one of the first/oldest. I know they were selling their coated lead bullets long before I started reloading...with the marketing claim that you could drill a hole in their bullet, put it on a hot plate, and watch the lead run out and coating remain intact / shrivel in as it empties out.

At case pricing ($227/3000 delivered) Precision 147s are $75.60/1000. I'll probably try a box of 500 before jumping in for 3000.
I'm aware of the the Precision moly bullet manufacturer.

Many others on here aren't, and will simply refer to "Precision" when talking about PD.

If I'm talking about Precision, the moly manufacturer, I make sure to mention moly to clarify.

Plus, we had just been discussing PD vs Bear Creek, when you just mentioned Precision, I thought you were still talking about PD.
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Old 11-16-2012, 08:24   #33
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I'm aware of the the Precision moly bullet manufacturer.

Many others on here aren't, and will simply refer to "Precision" when talking about PD.

If I'm talking about Precision, the moly manufacturer, I make sure to mention moly to clarify.

Plus, we had just been discussing PD vs Bear Creek, when you just mentioned Precision, I thought you were still talking about PD.
Have you used Precision molies? If so, how would you compare them to Bear Creek? The only molies I've used so far are BBI and Precision.

BBI + my fav 9mm powder (Universal) gave me nasty smoke...but then again, it turned out there was something wrong with the coating on my first batch...so maybe I should try Universal again with the replacements they sent. The first ones, I think the coating wasn't properly cured or something. Just handling the bullets would turn my fingers black, and you could see by looking at the insides of the boxes (first batch and replacements) that the first ones turned the inside of the box black, while the second didn't put much if any of their color on the cardboard.
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I haven't used Precision molys, but a buddy of mine uses them... he seems happy. When he's shooting I don't notice excess smoke.

The only others I tried were the BBI, and I thought they were smokier than are the Bear Creeks.

I use TG with the Bear Creeks, and don't find them too smoky. I will eventually try a different powder (like WST/WSF) to see if I can even improve on that, but I still have most of an 8lb jug left. And as I mentioned, I do all my shooting outdoors these days and I don't even notice the smoke unless wind is blowing right in my face.
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WOW my 1000 bullets shipped wens. afternoon and ups just dropped them off....Mississippi 2 Wisconsin In 36hrs!! for $5.00!:D

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i ordered 5,000 - 9mm 124gr JHP from them... no problems what so ever... i prolly will order 5,000 more soon
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i ordered 5,000 - 9mm 124gr JHP from them... no problems what so ever... i prolly will order 5,000 more soon
Yeah this was my first experience with PD so now once these 1000 9mm rounds get loaded i'll have a couple more thousand on the way...ive saved about 7/8000 cases so im gonna reload for $140 per 1000 thats gonna save me a ton!

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Old 11-19-2012, 17:00   #38
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I just checked PD's site and noticed a price increase across the board,since tues.:sly:
I just received an order I placed on Tuesday. It was delivered by UPS Ground rather than the USPS Priority Mail that I'm used to. I wonder if that's the reason for the price increase? It's still not enough to make me shy away from them. They've treated me well.
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I've been using Precision Delta bullets for 45 ACP (230 grain) and 9mm (115 grain and 124 grain) and for the money - you can't find a less expensive jacketed bullet.

For moly coated bullets, I use Billy Bullets in 45 ACP (225 grain FP) and like them. I've sampled a few in 9mm (115 grain) and they seemed okay but will have to perform additional testing.

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Old 11-23-2012, 13:53   #40
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PD's FMJ bullets are a great product at a competitive price. I like them better than Montana Gold.

Moly is the way to go in terms of cost, though. I get Bear Creeks for $60/K. They group just as well as anything else, and offer the option of a 150gr round-nose. Only downside I see with moly vs jacketed bullets is your hands get dirtier and a little slick from loading mags. You’ll also probably need to use a little more bell with moly, to keep it from scraping and help seat the bullets.
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Old 11-28-2012, 09:44   #41
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Cool im glad to hear the good praises. I ordered 1000 bullets Of 124gr. 9mm monday afternoon. This is my first attempt at reloading. Win. spp, ramshot true blue...hope it works out

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I see you ordered True Blue, which you asked about in a previous post.

Personally I like True Blue and hope that you do too.
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I've never tried Ramshot True Blue for 9mm. Burn rate wise I have used these;

Accurate Arms No. 5
Hodgdon HS-6
Winchester AutoComp
Winchester WSF

they are all within a wisker of each other and have worked very well for me using the 124g bullet.

Keach... let us know how your tests come out.
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I've never tried Ramshot True Blue for 9mm. Burn rate wise I have used these;

Accurate Arms No. 5
Hodgdon HS-6
Winchester AutoComp
Winchester WSF

they are all within a wisker of each other and have worked very well for me using the 124g bullet.

Keach... let us know how your tests come out.
Well they were loaded to 5.8gr. TrueBlue 124gr.bullet @ 1.140 OAL. I shot 350 last Saturday everything fed/fired perfectly,@10 yards I was grouping 2/3 inches or so with a newer fde G19. I feel the next batch should have a slightly shorter OAL to hopefully tighten up the groups

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Have to say props to Patrica and the gang at PD. I ordered 1K of their 147 FMJs for some subsonic suppressor load development and another thousand of the 124 JHPs to load some simulated PP self defense rounds. Made the order evening of 11/28, mailman delivered yesterday 12/3.
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Kaech..."@10 yards I was grouping 2/3 inches or so with a newer fde G19"

Not too shabby there my man!

Any sign of over/under burn from that powder (True Blue)?

With the powders I mentioned earlier that I have tested with the 124g FMJ RN bullet, I use 1.135" OAL. My G17 & G19 seem to like it.

Now these powders I have used are just a bit faster burning (but not much) then TB, but If you decrease your OAL slowly you will see if it makes a difference or not.

Thanks for the update... Good luck & be safe.
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Have to say props to Patrica and the gang at PD. I ordered 1K of their 147 FMJs for some subsonic suppressor load development and another thousand of the 124 JHPs to load some simulated PP self defense rounds. Made the order evening of 11/28, mailman delivered yesterday 12/3.
If you pull the bags of bullets out of the boxes, how much corn cob do you see in the bottoms of the bags? I'm a little annoyed by the amount of it in the most recent bullets I got from PD, and by the fact that they don't appear to have been tumbled long enough to remove whatever they tumble them to remove before shipping. I assume its lube left over from the manufacturing process.
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If you pull the bags of bullets out of the boxes, how much corn cob do you see in the bottoms of the bags? I'm a little annoyed by the amount of it in the most recent bullets I got from PD, and by the fact that they don't appear to have been tumbled long enough to remove whatever they tumble them to remove before shipping. I assume its lube left over from the manufacturing process.
Your post kind of puzzled me so soon as I saw it had to take a look. Answer: NONE
I hadn't ordered PD bullets for a while but have probably 10-12K under my belt and have never had an issue with corncob.
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I'll see if I can get a decent picture and post it later.
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First the bullets are oily. People like me have tumbled them to remove the oil. Now it appears they tumble them but the get dinged for remaining corncob in the box. We are a tough crowd..
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I'm not surprised when there's a tiny bit of cob with the bullets...hint of cob, just enough to make it obvious they were tumbled in cob. IIRC, my MG bullets have always had that when I got down to the bottom of the bag. These though have considerable cob and remaining lube...enough so that the cob is sticking to the bullets, following them to the bullet tray, dropping off on the shell plate, and getting my fingers as black as the bad batch of moly bullets I loaded some of.
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