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Old 11-14-2012, 12:49   #21
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I've shot Remingtons for 45 years. I think the safety is just fine. Why would I (or anyone else ) want to "train" themselves for a new safety OR use a less "safe" safety. Not trying to be harsh, just don't understand the necessity.............DOC
The rationale is that when the shooter has made the determination to fire, disengaging the safety needs to be accomplished in the quickest way possible to enable one to shoot.

While some of have trained themselves to disengage the stock safety, others think that the stock safety is slower to disengage than a domed one. Quicker on the trigger is the belief.

The domed safety is not, in my years at the range, less safe but instead an adaptation and refinement for those who find that it meets their needs. In the hands of those who are properly trained it isn't unsafe, much like extended safeties on a 1911 or even an ambi one. It's an implement to facilitate a resolution.
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Old 11-14-2012, 12:54   #22
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That's my thinking as well. FWIW, I went with the Wilson model for the reasons stated above.

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Old 11-14-2012, 13:58   #23
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The rationale is that when the shooter has made the determination to fire, disengaging the safety needs to be accomplished in the quickest way possible to enable one to shoot.

While some of have trained themselves to disengage the stock safety, others think that the stock safety is slower to disengage than a domed one. Quicker on the trigger is the belief.

The domed safety is not, in my years at the range, less safe but instead an adaptation and refinement for those who find that it meets their needs. In the hands of those who are properly trained it isn't unsafe, much like extended safeties on a 1911 or even an ambi one. It's an implement to facilitate a resolution.
To each ,his own................. Maybe it's better, but I have no reason to change, I'm fast and safe but that's due to years of experience, I cut my teeth on a "Wingmaster". DOC
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Old 11-15-2012, 20:02   #24
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The Vang Comp may be the easiest to accidentally disengage but I do give it props because I never used the safety before I had it.
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Old 11-19-2012, 09:43   #25
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This argument about people being killed by over sized safeties is like saying, "stay indoors or you might get hit by a bus". As a matter of fact, you have about 1000% better chance of being hit by a bus. Probably more than 1000% now that I think about it.
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Old 11-19-2012, 10:16   #26
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I've got the Wilson/Scattergun Tech oversize on my 870. And I've used safeties behind the trigger in the field hunting since I was a very young teenager (an Ithaca 37 has the safety in the same place and that's what I used when I was a kid). But in truth Benelli's safety location in front of the trigger guard makes more sense and the Mossberg safety on the back of the receiver (along with the location of the slide release on Mossbergs) is so intuitive it makes the operation of the gun very natural with the only drawback being if you use a pistol grip.

But I agree about oversize safeties. Hell, look at the entire 1911 world with all kinds of oversize safeties...
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Old 11-19-2012, 10:46   #27
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I think that in a sense, a good argument can be made that it is somewhat irresponsible not to have an extended safety on one's 870.

Once you perceive a threat and you've made the decision to fire, your goal is the deliver that shot as quickly as you can. I don't think there is much universal diagreement that a domed safety is quicker to disengage although people are plenty quich with a Wilson or standard one.
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Old 11-19-2012, 17:26   #28
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I find the postion of the safety on the Remington Shotguns perfect for me. I can click it off with the second joint of my trigger finger on the way to the trigger so there is only one motion. Going to the front of the trigger guard then back to the trigger is a wasted motion and that is time I can't afford in a fight. If I am on the way to the trigger I am going to fire. Disengaging a top tang safety then going to the trigger is also two motions and is slower the the Remington safety.

My entire goal in a fighting shotgun is to reduce CUT's. This is an acronym I came up with for Combat Unit of Time and it is messured from the time his primer ignites to when his round hits you in the chest. That is FAST. So, if I reduce my CUT's and my round hits him before he can depress his trigger, I win. So everything I do to a shotgun and every time I train with it the only thing on my mind is my response time to the threat on my life.
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