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Old 11-14-2012, 12:52   #121
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Ok? Yes, that's what I said...I'd light them up. That doesn't necessarily mean they're going to flee, shoot, or anything else. As you hinted on, there's just a much of a chance of that happening on a routine traffic stop. .

WHOOOOOOAAAAAA!!!!!!

You said it, now the question is, are you going to stand by it...or dance like you do....

You think that a "routine" traffic stop is going to, statistically, produce the same result as a felony stop?
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Maybe THAT's what he is after all!

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Maybe he is a highlander cop?
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Old 11-14-2012, 12:56   #123
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Ok? Yes, that's what I said...I'd light them up. That doesn't necessarily mean they're going to flee, shoot, or anything else. As you hinted on, there's just a much of a chance of that happening on a routine traffic stop. I don't really see any difference here except for the fact that you think you're going to sneak up right on their rear bumper simply because your overheads aren't on. It's possible, but the end result will be the same...they will either stop without incident, or it will turn into aggravated flight from an officer or worse.

This is the problem with hypotheticals...I'm sure you see it all clearly in your head but I can only see it as you type it here.

This is not a traffic related stop though. You are stopping someone who just committed an armed robbery. This is not an unknown - this is a KNOWN threat. You KNOW they have a gun. You KNOW they are a criminal and JUST committed a crime. That is like saying that since 2 officers respond on a domestic to a house - you might as well send 2 officers to retrieve someone on a murder warrant from a house.

You don't see a difference between a single officer doing a stop compared to a felony stop in this circumstance?

You have just proven the point of this thread with your above post.
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While I am not a cop my brother and his wife are. I took the liberty of doing some research for this thread since he will not answer the question.

There are only four sheriffs' in his state (assuming hes telling the truth about that) that have been in off for 16 years. That is how long he said his cousin had been sheriff. Here they are.

ASCENSION PARISH
JEFFREY WILEY
1996 YEAR ASSUMED OFFICE

MADISON PARISH
LARRY COX
1996 YEAR ASSUMED OFFICE

ST CHARLES PARISH
GREG CHAMPAGNE
1996 YEAR ASSUMED OFFICE

ST TAMMANY PARISH
JACK STRAIN
1996 YEAR ASSUMED OFFICE


So now he just needs to tell us what county again. I narrowed it down to these four.
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Old 11-14-2012, 13:04   #126
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WHOOOOOOAAAAAA!!!!!!

You said it, now the question is, are you going to stand by it...or dance like you do....

You think that a "routine" traffic stop is going to, statistically, produce the same result as a felony stop?

I don't play numbers like you do. However, if I did...statistically, you're the type of officer that would end up shot on routine traffic stop because the 'odds were lower'.




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This is not a traffic related stop though. You are stopping someone who just committed an armed robbery. This is not an unknown - this is a KNOWN threat. You KNOW they have a gun. You KNOW they are a criminal and JUST committed a crime. That is like saying that since 2 officers respond on a domestic to a house - you might as well send 2 officers to retrieve someone on a murder warrant from a house.

You don't see a difference between a single officer doing a stop compared to a felony stop in this circumstance?

You have just proven the point of this thread with your above post.
How you handle high-risk stops is how you handle them...I'm not arguing that, it's your choice entirely. However, your analogy is flawed...just as many, if not more officers are injured and/or killed responding to DV calls, and those aren't automatically considered "high-risk" like a felony stop.



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While I am not a cop my brother and his wife are. I took the liberty of doing some research for this thread since he will not answer the question.

There are only four sheriffs' in his state (assuming hes telling the truth about that) that have been in off for 16 years. That is how long he said his cousin had been sheriff. Here they are.

ASCENSION PARISH
JEFFREY WILEY
1996 YEAR ASSUMED OFFICE

MADISON PARISH
LARRY COX
1996 YEAR ASSUMED OFFICE

ST CHARLES PARISH
GREG CHAMPAGNE
1996 YEAR ASSUMED OFFICE

ST TAMMANY PARISH
JACK STRAIN
1996 YEAR ASSUMED OFFICE


So now he just needs to tell us what county again. I narrowed it down to these four.
Nice work...now somebody's getting somewhere.

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I don't play numbers like you do. However, if I did...statistically, you're the type of officer that would end up shot on routine traffic stop because the 'odds were lower'.
So you are not going to answer this question either. Which I knew you wouldnt, why....math. See how that works? (no, you dont, you dont have a clue)

There it is folks, he said, flat out, a felony stop is the same as any other stop.
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So you are not going to answer this question either. Which I knew you wouldnt, why....math. See how that works? (no, you dont, you dont have a clue)

There it is folks, he said, flat out, a felony stop is the same as any other stop.


I'm going to be leaving late today, but it's been worth it just getting to read this.

ETA- This isn't the occupation you need to be playing numbers with...just friendly advice.

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I'm going to be leaving late today, but it's been worth it just getting to read this.

ETA- This isn't the occupation you need to be playing numbers with
...just friendly advice.
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I'm going to be leaving late today, but it's been worth it just getting to read this.

ETA- This isn't the occupation you need to be playing numbers with...just friendly advice.
What occupation would that be? Law Enforcement?

Are you, now, a fully sworn LEO?

And as always, you work very hard to make sure everyone knows you dont have a clue how numbers work.
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Ok? Yes, that's what I said...I'd light them up. That doesn't necessarily mean they're going to flee, shoot, or anything else. As you hinted on, there's just a much of a chance of that happening on a routine traffic stop. I don't really see any difference here except for the fact that you think you're going to sneak up right on their rear bumper simply because your overheads aren't on.
Some thoughts: We're talking about an armed robber, correct? How is there just as much of a chance of getting shot on a "routine" traffic stop? That's why it's called a felony or "high risk" stop: because armed robbers are high risk! I've never, ever met an officer who treats known, high risk stops the same way they treat stopping the Taurus with a tail light out. I really hope that isn't what you meant to say, because any cop that does is, frankly, stupid.

Second, who said anything about sneaking right up on somebody's bumper? Have you ever actually followed someone?
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ODMP disagrees with you.
Most everything disagrees with him, yet to him, we are all the ones with the problem.

This is the exact type of person LE deals with, not the kind of person who is (or should be) LE.
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The thread in the divorced daddy forum. You know, the one in which someone using the same location and screenname as you do here posted a question about having a bench warrant issued because his employer didn't properly garnish his wages.

I suppose it could be a coincidence, but I don't much believe in such happenings.

And for the record, I think you might be a jail officer, like I am. Notice how I don't comment on traffic stops and the like? Its because I don't have the necessary experience to talk about that stuff. Doesn't mean I'm not a fully sworn officer (as many folks have discovered to their misfortune) but, its just I don't need to pretend. I'm OK with being a jail officer - and didn't need nepotism to get hired.
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The thread in the divorced daddy forum. You know, the one in which someone using the same location and screenname as you do here posted a question about having a bench warrant issued because his employer didn't properly garnish his wages.

I suppose it could be a coincidence, but I don't much believe in such happenings.

And for the record, I think you might be a jail officer, like I am. Notice how I don't comment on traffic stops and the like? Its because I don't have the necessary experience to talk about that stuff. Doesn't mean I'm not a fully sworn officer (as many folks have discovered to their misfortune) but, its just I don't need to pretend. I'm OK with being a jail officer - and didn't need nepotism to get hired.
Do you have a link to this or has it been deleted?
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This one has elevated my popcorn making to caramel. May have to do hot n spicy next, they way this is going.

You'd think after 17+ years of working the road and making popcorn, I'd be tired of popcorn.

Not with threads like this one.
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That needs to be unlocked asap! Too much fun to make it stop....
They never get unlocked but maybe not necessary by the time we get to the third or fifth page.

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Won't be reopened.

Threads like that are troll-magnets once members of law enforcement join in the discussion. Trolls have one goal. They want to draw the other side into pissing contests. Then they hope to get someone so upset they violate the rules and earn an infraction or get the thread closed.

And, honestly, some of you trip all over your own feet rushing to fulfill the trolls' dreams. Yeah, sometimes it's very hard not to, right?

As to whether someone is credentialed or not, hey, they usually trip up sooner or later.

It is funny that going up their storybook ladder, every time challenged they up their experience and qualifications.
Shhhh Don't talk about locked threa.... ohhh wait. Never mind.


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