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Old 11-14-2012, 11:03   #41
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It comes across stupid to you.
Then you missed the point.

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Do you think Marx was stupid? Hilter, Mao Tse-tung, Stalin, Pol Pot, Khrushchev, Kim Jong-il were they all not overly bright? lProfessing an ideology that appeals to stupid people doesn't mean the professor is.
Yep, Marx was a dumbass for all that he was worth. His theory fails on every level (Now where is that darned Soviet Union? Oh yeah, I remember now...) right down to his his idea of substituting what amounted to one currency for another.

The rest (Hilter, Mao Tse-tung, Stalin, Pol Pot, Khrushchev, Kim Jong-il) were also stupid for the destruction they wrought. I don't care what your IQ is, if you manage to destroy an entire Nation and/or commit genocide while doing so they might be a dumbass.
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Old 11-14-2012, 11:32   #42
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Basically, when it COSTS to keep my business open and operating and there is less than a grand worth of profit to be made...even after laying off many employees and scaling back...THAT will most likely be my sign to call it quits.

However, that is still quite a ways off.

I would first have to lay off a few people and severely scale back many functions around here.

However, once it becomes an EXPENSE and there is no profits to be made, beyond paying the basic bills and daily business expenses...hell...why keep doing this?

Again...that day is still quite a ways off but I never think that it just could never happen.

I will fight the nonsense as long as I can but yes..there WILL be a point where both me and my partner just decide it is not worth it anymore.

I hope that day never comes.

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Old 11-14-2012, 13:39   #43
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Y'all can keep doubting the intelligence of our political leadership if it makes you feel good, but it makes me wonder who the fools really are.
Thank you. I will.

I'm guessing you think we would be in real trouble in this country right now if Obama and company weren't so smart.
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Old 11-14-2012, 13:42   #44
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If America has past the tipping point, where is the breaking point? What for you is the breaking point? When, as in Atlas Shrugged, do you just walk away?
If you haven't read Gladwell's "Tipping Point" I highly recommend it.
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JB, why are you anti-gold if you think double-digit inflation is coming?
Could be because he describes deflation here in the post you quoted where he's talking about debt simply disappearing.

But honestly, that level of thought is well above his capability so I'm real interested in his answer.
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Old 11-14-2012, 14:39   #46
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I see a silver lining where the steriod infested gladiators will pay higher tax rates on their multi-million annual salaries.
the rich won't pay a damm dime more... they have a battery of lawyers working for them so they don't pay taxes period..
when government starts taking money from their pockets.. they will leave the U.S. for more favorable tax climate..
they simply do not have to live here.. but the idiot in the white house is too dense to figure that out.. its all smoke & mirrors from the white house..
they will keep printing money to the point where it will take $50 to buy a loaf of bread and $100 for a quart of milk.. think its impossible ??? how much has gas gone up in 3-1/2 years ?
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Then you missed the point.



Yep, Marx was a dumbass for all that he was worth. His theory fails on every level (Now where is that darned Soviet Union? Oh yeah, I remember now...) right down to his his idea of substituting what amounted to one currency for another.

The rest (Hilter, Mao Tse-tung, Stalin, Pol Pot, Khrushchev, Kim Jong-il) were also stupid for the destruction they wrought. I don't care what your IQ is, if you manage to destroy an entire Nation and/or commit genocide while doing so they might be a dumbass.
Actually, I think *you* are still missing the point.
Evil tyrants like Hitler, Marx, etc.; destruction and tyranny *were* their goals. They succeeded remarkably.

They are a lot of things, but not stupid.

Evil, insane, etc., yes, but not stupid.
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the rich won't pay a damm dime more... they have a battery of lawyers working for them so they don't pay taxes period..
when government starts taking money from their pockets.. they will leave the U.S. for more favorable tax climate..
they simply do not have to live here.. but the idiot in the white house is too dense to figure that out.. its all smoke & mirrors from the white house..
they will keep printing money to the point where it will take $50 to buy a loaf of bread and $100 for a quart of milk.. think its impossible ??? how much has gas gone up in 3-1/2 years ?

Are you really so totally naive that you think hussein has America's best interests in mind?? He *WANTS* to destroy this country.
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Old 11-14-2012, 22:00   #49
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Actually, I think *you* are still missing the point.
Evil tyrants like Hitler, Marx, etc.; destruction and tyranny *were* their goals. They succeeded remarkably.

They are a lot of things, but not stupid.

Evil, insane, etc., yes, but not stupid.
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Then you missed the point.

Yep, Marx was a dumbass for all that he was worth. His theory fails on every level (Now where is that darned Soviet Union? Oh yeah, I remember now...) right down to his his idea of substituting what amounted to one currency for another.

The rest (Hilter, Mao Tse-tung, Stalin, Pol Pot, Khrushchev, Kim Jong-il) were also stupid for the destruction they wrought. I don't care what your IQ is, if you manage to destroy an entire Nation and/or commit genocide while doing so they might be a dumbass.
The transformation this country is going through was laid out by Marx. His ultimate conclusions about how great it would be was wrong but how it happens was not. And whether you or the Russians at the time realize it or not, Russia was not in the position for what Marx would have called a successful evolution to socialism and then communism. The USA is.

And the measure of someone's intelligence has nothing to do with whether or not they use said intelligence to do something you consider good or bad.

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Thank you. I will.

I'm guessing you think we would be in real trouble in this country right now if Obama and company weren't so smart.
You would be wrong. We might not be in so much trouble if Obama and company were as dumb as a lot of folks here think they are.

You assumed I support Obama because I don't think he's dumb. Again I question who the fools are.

And to clarify, since I think you and others might have trouble with the verbiage. I don't think you are dumb but if you think Obama is, then you're foolish.
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Old 11-26-2012, 20:52   #51
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The transformation this country is going through was laid out by Marx. His ultimate conclusions about how great it would be was wrong but how it happens was not. And whether you or the Russians at the time realize it or not, Russia was not in the position for what Marx would have called a successful evolution to socialism and then communism. The USA is.

And the measure of someone's intelligence has nothing to do with whether or not they use said intelligence to do something you consider good or bad.



You would be wrong. We might not be in so much trouble if Obama and company were as dumb as a lot of folks here think they are.

You assumed I support Obama because I don't think he's dumb. Again I question who the fools are.

And to clarify, since I think you and others might have trouble with the verbiage. I don't think you are dumb but if you think Obama is, then you're foolish.
I honestly believe Obama was "chosen" by certain folks early on and ushered into position. I don't much think his intellect matters. He's an ideolog who is there to advance the agenda.
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Old 11-26-2012, 21:09   #52
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I honestly believe Obama was "chosen" by certain folks early on and ushered into position. I don't much think his intellect matters. He's an ideolog who is there to advance the agenda.
I would agree with that. I don't think he's a genius or anything but dumb? No.

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I would agree with that. I don't think he's a genius or anything but dumb? No.
He seems dumb at times because the decisions he makes seem contrary to any logic. I think that throws people off in a "he must be a moron" kind of way. He's just doing what he was put there to do. It isn't supposed to make sense to people like us.
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He seems dumb at times because the decisions he makes seem contrary to any logic. I think that throws people off in a "he must be a moron" kind of way. He's just doing what he was put there to do. It isn't supposed to make sense to people like us.
Yep. If I did not know better I could be convinced he was brain damaged.
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Old 11-27-2012, 13:12   #55
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Interesting term, "tipping point"...

Just to play off of that, I used to tip 20 percent (or more) across the board for stuff like food service at restaurants.

Now, my personal policy has become 15 percent (or less), depending on the quality of service.

As my taxes go up, that cost has to be absorbed somewhere.


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Amen, brother! I'm cutting way back on my discretionary spending. From what I've read on several economic blogs, we are not alone. The economy is headed for a big contraction.
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Old 11-27-2012, 13:59   #56
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too much doom and gloom, obama will print more money and nothing will happen....if it was going to happen it would have already done so.

sporatic lay offs scattered here and there is not the same as economic collapsing.....
Like war there are long periods of boredom interrupted by a few minutes of terror.

The numbers cannot lie; this crash is coming despite decades of calm.
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Old 11-27-2012, 14:14   #57
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Old 11-27-2012, 14:50   #58
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First question...what is breaking?

The failure of the fed? The utter collaspe of the dollar? I'm not trying to be a smart ass.

I firmly believe the federal government in its current form will eventually fail - whether it be through a civil war, economic collapse, WW3...who knows. I know one person who believes it will be a military coup.

State Succession could be a real trigger. Ironically, the state most people love to hate i.e.California comes to mind. Its a huge net payer into the fed despite all its social programs. It could balance its own budget inside of three years if it kept all its own money. Its single biggest problem is its looming pension problem.

The debt? Remember, its not the amount of the debt but the ability to service it. As long as the $300 billion or so is enough to allow the fed to borrow more the debt isn't a problem anyone is seriously concerned about. As of the end of 2011, the fed had a net worth of something like negative $70 trillion dollars.

Money only has worth as long as people believe it does. The breaking point will probably be when those of us who pay taxes finally decide not to accept it for our services.

Edit: Actually when I was at the gym I thought about this some more and came to this conculsion.

When will it end? When the times comes for Thomas (The Fed) to rob Peter (the 53%) to pay Paul (the 47%) again and Peter pulls a gun....then it be over.
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