[Big Bird]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...infantry+women

Summary: 2 women passed the screening physical requirements to enter the Marine Infantry Officer School. Both failed to complete the course due to injuries.

[BicycleDay43]

Called it lol.

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[AK_Stick]

Unfortunately, in the name of equality we will continue to send them, and eventually lower standards so that they pass.

[SMOKEin]

Originally Posted by AK_Stick

Unfortunately, in the name of equality we will continue to send them, and eventually lower standards so that they pass.

Exact thought that crossed mind.

[TK-421]

Sorry ladies, if your body can't handle the abuse, then you wouldn't be able to handle the abuse in the field. If you're not good enough to do the job, the job won't lower itself for you. If your job is to haul 100 pound sacks, the sacks aren't going to magically become 75 pound sacks just because you're a women. Either you can do it, or you can't. If you can do it, awesome, if you can't, you need to find something else to do.

[skew12]

Originally Posted by AK_Stick

Unfortunately, in the name of equality we will continue to send them, and eventually lower standards so that they pass.

Ahhhh this is the future of our military.



****.

[cowboywannabe]

Originally Posted by tk-421

sorry ladies, if your body can't handle the abuse, then you wouldn't be able to handle the abuse in the field. If you're not good enough to do the job, the job won't lower itself for you. If your job is to haul 100 pound sacks, the sacks aren't going to magically become 75 pound sacks just because you're a women. Either you can do it, or you can't. If you can do it, awesome, if you can't, you need to find something else to do.

obama will fix this for them.

[FLIPPER 348]

Originally Posted by Big Bird

100% Failure Rate for 1st Round of Female Marine Infantry Recruits

Outstanding.


Women have no place in Combat Arms or cockpits.

[AK_Stick]

I know several **** hot female combat pilots, in both fixed wing fighters, CAS, and rotary wing gunships. As well as have had the distinct honor of going into combat with some great utility rotor wing female pilots.

I don't think they belong in the inf. but they can absolutely hack it behind a stick.

[tsmo1066]

"2" is hardly a valid statistical sampling to draw conclusions from.

I would also point out that the Israelis have had good success using female combat troops, to include a number of women in the Mossad's dreaded Kidon assassination and counter-terrorism detachments. Then, of course, there were the Russian female sniper and infiltration units in WWII.

Women may not have the upper body strength that most men have, and they may need some different physical standards as a result, but by-and-large the argument that women can't "cut it" in combat has been proven to be a myth so many times as to constitute an absurdity as an argument.

[AK_Stick]

No one is saying women are incapable of killing.

They're saying they're unfit for the infantry. A point that has been proven in blood again and again.

A Russian sniper in WW II, is hardly a valid comparison to an infantryman today.

[tsmo1066]

Originally Posted by AK_Stick

A Russian sniper in WW II, is hardly a valid comparison to an infantryman today.

How so? I guarantee that Russian snipers on the Eastern Front had to deal on a daily basis with conditions and risks that would give even the toughest modern Ranger or Marine pause.

They had to mule their own weapons and combat packs through deadly cold and extreme terrain, live on rations that would best be described as laughable and evade, stalk, kill and outsmart some of the best trained male infantry soldiers of the day while doing so.

And they were feared like angels of death by the Nazis they hunted.

And of course the IDF has been using females in their military, to include combat infantry units, for decades with great success.

[John Rambo]

Originally Posted by FLIPPER 348

Outstanding.


Women have no place in Combat Arms or cockpits.

Was that a cleverly disguised joke about how bad women drivers are?

[Detectorist]

Originally Posted by tsmo1066

"2" is hardly a valid statistical sampling to draw conclusions from.

I would also point out that the Israelis have had good success using female combat troops, to include a number of women in the Mossad's dreaded Kidon assassination and counter-terrorism detachments. Then, of course, there were the Russian female sniper and infiltration units in WWII.

Women may not have the upper body strength that most men have, and they may need some different physical standards as a result, but by-and-large the argument that women can't "cut it" in combat has been proven to be a myth so many times as to constitute an absurdity as an argument.

Show me the Israeli women who have actively participated in offensive combat operations. They are mostly on passive duty type positions like security and such.

[unit1069]

Navy officer Lt. Kara Hultgren was rushed into the seat of a Tomcat to satifsy feminist ideological dictates and she lost her life. This abuse of legitimate womens' desire to contribute on par with men will be repeated with every Radical Left government we elect.

[tsmo1066]

Originally Posted by Detectorist

Show me the Israeli women who have actively participated in offensive combat operations. They are mostly on passive duty type positions like security and such.

The Caracal Infantry Battallion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caracal_Battalion

[TK-421]

Originally Posted by cowboywannabe

obama will fix this for them.

And if Romney had been elected, he'd fix it too.

[tsmo1066]

More on Caracal Battallion's recent combat ops, this from just a couple of months ago...

http://www.idf.il/1283-17155-EN/Dover.aspx

[427]

If a person, man or woman, can't meet the physical requirements, they can't meet the physical requirements.

[427]

Originally Posted by tsmo1066

More on Caracal Battallion's recent combat ops, this from just a couple of months ago...

http://www.idf.il/1283-17155-EN/Dover.aspx

IDF freezes implementation of report calling for gender equality
Publicly, the IDF announced support for recommendations drafted by special military committee, but in practice it has done very little to implement them.
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition...ality-1.398544

[Electrikkoolaid]

Someone's feelings are going to get hurt, and I'm telling Santa about it!

[jame]

Originally Posted by tsmo1066

Women may not have the upper body strength that most men have, and they may need some different physical standards as a result, .......

So when does the ref blow the whistle for an official "time out" in the middle of real combat, to adjust for "different physical standards"?

[tsmo1066]

Originally Posted by 427

IDF freezes implementation of report calling for gender equality
Publicly, the IDF announced support for recommendations drafted by special military committee, but in practice it has done very little to implement them.
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition...ality-1.398544

From the article...


"...and the drive to expand service options for women has largely been replaced with a rearguard action to keep existing gains from being lost, in the face of both increased pressure from the religious establishment for greater separation of the sexes in the army and a rise in the number of women claiming a religious exemption from service."

Yes, Israel too has to deal with its equivalent of the "religious right".

That doesn't change the fact that the IDF officially agrees with expanding the roles for women in combat, largely due to the success of fully integrated, combat infantry units like the Caracal Battallion, which is 60-70% female and has served with distinction in a number of front-line combat ops in the last decade.

[tsmo1066]

Originally Posted by jame

So when does the ref blow the whistle for an official "time out" in the middle of real combat, to adjust for "different physical standards"?

The key is "different", not "lesser" standards. Women have other physical traits such as overall better hand-eye coordination (important in shooting small arms) and higher general resistance to severe pain (important in all manner of military situations).

In modern combat, it isn't all about upper body strength.

[427]

Originally Posted by tsmo1066

From the article...


"...and the drive to expand service options for women has largely been replaced with a rearguard action to keep existing gains from being lost, in the face of both increased pressure from the religious establishment for greater separation of the sexes in the army and a rise in the number of women claiming a religious exemption from service."

Yes, Israel too has to deal with its equivalent of the "religious right".

That doesn't change the fact that the IDF officially agrees with expanding the roles for women in combat, largely due to the success of fully integrated, combat infantry units like the Caracal Battallion, which is 60-70% female and has served with distinction in a number of front-line combat ops in the last decade.

Also from the article:

Another Segev Committee member said that aside from the rabbis, many senior officers - including both current Chief of Staff Benny Gantz and Yoav Galant, who was originally supposed to get the job before being disqualified at the last minute - also "fiercely opposed integrating women into assault units."

As a result, he said, "not one of the main recommendations has been implemented: Length of service hasn't been equalized, all jobs haven't been opened up, and certainly women haven't been put in front-line units."

...

Nevertheless, he added, the army opposes using women as combat troops in the infantry and tank corps, as too few women can meet the physical requirements, "like marching 90 kilometers while carrying a heavy load." Women should be integrated "according to the IDF's operational needs," he said.