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Old 11-13-2012, 17:29   #1
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PA State Police may go 45 acp

Pulled over today for DOT check and when finished got on the subject of Glocks which they have G 37 in the Gap. The officer said they are testing G21 in 45acp right now . and he did not care for the old Beretta 40 cal they had . The officer was courteous .Every thing was good on my spot check.
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Old 11-13-2012, 17:49   #2
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Blah, blah, blah, who gives a crap what the PA state police are doing
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Old 11-13-2012, 17:50   #3
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A PSP Trooper told me he could not get the dept to give him any extra .45 GAP ammo. He said that when they carried .40 cal. Beretta's he could usually get an extra box or two of ammo. I'm not sure how much GAP ammo they are issued ie: a 50 round box or just the 31 rounds carried on their person.
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Old 11-13-2012, 17:55   #4
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Old 11-13-2012, 18:05   #5
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Here in miami, most officers carry G21's or G22's.
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Old 11-13-2012, 18:11   #6
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A PSP Trooper told me he could not get the dept to give him any extra .45 GAP ammo. He said that when they carried .40 cal. Beretta's he could usually get an extra box or two of ammo. I'm not sure how much GAP ammo they are issued ie: a 50 round box or just the 31 rounds carried on their person.
Ammunition cost,just maybe the reason for the switch. SJ 40
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Old 11-13-2012, 18:12   #7
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Interesting..
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Old 11-13-2012, 18:45   #8
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I will phone a friend who is on the job
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Old 11-13-2012, 18:51   #9
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I just checked ammo prices on SGAmmo.com, one of my sources with good prices. I can't do direct comparisons due to differences in the stock for GAP and ACP, but I can't really see any significant differences in the ammo prices. In some cases, you could say the .45 ACP costs more.
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Old 11-13-2012, 18:56   #10
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how many suppliers for gap ammo and how many suppliers for acp ammo?
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Old 11-13-2012, 19:18   #11
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Yes it is interesting to some of us - thanks for posting. Glad the stop went well.
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Old 11-13-2012, 20:04   #12
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Old 11-13-2012, 20:51   #13
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Blah, blah, blah, who gives a crap what the PA state police are doing
What makes you so bitter toward PSP? Some pending state charges you want to tell us about?

OP, thanks for the info. Nice to hear my state tax dollars are going toward sensible spending for a change (even if I am a G23 man myself).
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Old 11-13-2012, 20:53   #14
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They have been saying they are switching for about two years now. I don't foresee it happening. I will say that agencies that seek the CALEA accreditation can't have service weapons older than 4 yrs so if they update to new handguns they may as well switch.
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Old 11-13-2012, 23:14   #15
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Here in DE (pa neighbor) the state police carry 229's in 357 SIG.
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Old 11-14-2012, 05:07   #16
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What makes you so bitter toward PSP? Some pending state charges you want to tell us about?
No.

Nothing toward the PSP in particular. I just cant stand that everytime some PD talks about switching calibers everyone wants to jump on the band wagon. LIke the PD is the final word on caliber. It's usually just because they got a new captain or cheif and they need to justify their job.

And come on. They are "testing" a G21 45acp? LIke the 21 or the 45acp has not been proven over an over already.

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Old 11-14-2012, 07:10   #17
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Here in miami, most officers carry G21's or G22's.
what department uses the G21s ? or is individual officer choice ? thanks
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Old 11-14-2012, 07:49   #18
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As a retired member of the PSP, I too am interested in this. Without going into a history of PSP firearms, I can only say that they "test" everything they get, from flashlights to handcuffs, although as with any gov't agency, the low bidder usually gets the gravy.
They were getting ready to switch from .357 revolvers to autoloaders just prior to my retirement. As a firearm instructor, I was asked for my input. Knowing they would never go for a SA auto and knowing they would want at least a DA first round, I suggested they strongly consider the SIG. Like anything else I pushed for, they went with a Beretta instead in .40 S&W. I didn't consider a Glock as they had already declared them as not authorized even for off duty carry due to their "lack of a safety". (Strangely enough, they were issued to the SERT team).

I had the opportunity to fire the issue Beretta after I retired when my replacement instructor called me and asked if I'd meet him at the range. He brought his duty gun, along with issue ammo. I'd never seen such a piece of crap. The trigger was absolutely abominable. So hard to pull that neither of us (both decent shots BTW) could hardly get decent hits at 25 yards. He'd wanted to adjust his sights and was told no, they'd "been adjusted before issue". WTF????? Apparently someone came to their senses eventually, and the Glocks were issued.

As for providing ammo, unless they've changed (and I seriously doubt it), they may be issuing one box. No further ammo is issued for practice. Practice ammo comes out of the trooper's pocket....if they practice at all. During my 25 years, most didn't.
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Old 11-14-2012, 08:50   #19
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In some cases, you could say the .45 ACP costs more.
You could also say there are a lot more choices.
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:17   #20
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Did someone pee in your cornflakes this morning?
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:33   #21
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Sometimes it's not low bidder, but minority bidder.
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:45   #22
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There usually is not any speakable difference in contract price of .45acp or .45gap. The PSP was and most likely still is low on funds so I would not expect them to be throwing around ammo even though they should highly promote practicing. If the officers have to buy their own practice ammo yeah you can get .45acp cheaper most places.

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Old 11-14-2012, 11:19   #23
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[...] And come on. They are "testing" a G21 45acp? LIke the 21 or the 45acp has not been proven over an over already.
You make a very fair point, but I'm sure lawyers and politicians require the testing.
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Old 11-14-2012, 14:29   #24
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No.

Nothing toward the PSP in particular. I just cant stand that everytime some PD talks about switching calibers everyone wants to jump on the band wagon. LIke the PD is the final word on caliber. It's usually just because they got a new captain or cheif and they need to justify their job.

And come on. They are "testing" a G21 45acp? LIke the 21 or the 45acp has not been proven over an over already.
It is not only about testing the weapon for function, reliability, etc. It is important for large police agencies to test the prospective weapons with the people who will be issued same weapons. For example, the strong shooters, the weak shooters, the males with large hands, the females with small hands, patrol units, investigative units, etc. The weapon has to be a "fit" for the people using it. Not to test the weapons in this manner would be irresponsible.
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Old 11-14-2012, 16:19   #25
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What model Beretta were they carrying in .40?

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