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Old 11-13-2012, 01:23   #151
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The gov doesn't have to go door-to-door to get guns.

They just make a few high-profile busts on TV, use the media to demonize the few patriots who actually have the cajones to go down fighting, and the majority of gun owners will pee themselves racing to comply.

Those left will have to hide their guns so deep as to make them essentially useless.

Just ask the IRS how easy it is to intimidate the masses into compliance with unpopular legislation.
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Old 11-13-2012, 02:11   #152
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:21   #153
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Out of curiosity for those that would fight, are there any circumstances in which you might not fight when they come for your guns? Suppose you glanced out the front and back doors and there were say a couple dozen or more heavily armed and armored tactical types - the odds were overwhelmingly against you. What if instead of at home, they came for you at work, or at the grocery store?
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:22   #154
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As a Type 3 FFL (C&R) holder, we are subject to an annual inspection of our C&R guns and bound book from the BATFE. I have yet to be called for inspection, but from what I have read, the common practice is to have all your C&R guns out of your safe and ready for inspection before the agent enters your home.

What if the agent asks to view the rest of your collection? What if the agent suspects you may be hiding certain C&R weapons from your bound book and demands to see them all to make sure?

These reasons could be used as the guise to also try to spot any banned "assault rifles" at the same time. This worries me greatly.
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:46   #155
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Out of curiosity for those that would fight, are there any circumstances in which you might not fight when they come for your guns? Suppose you glanced out the front and back doors and there were say a couple dozen or more heavily armed and armored tactical types - the odds were overwhelmingly against you. What if instead of at home, they came for you at work, or at the grocery store?
I would add: you have your wife and kids with you...

If the gov comes for you unless you have a sizable force you're screwed. Any resistance would have to have widespread support.

Maybe the "Cold dead hands" types would inspire that support, but you as an individual will not survive.
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:24   #156
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Who would pay the many millions of dollars it would take to pay all of the officers to do such a confiscation?

Not going to happen........
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Old 11-13-2012, 09:07   #157
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Here it comes boys!

Turn Them Over: Feinstein Moves To Ban ALL Assault Rifles, High Capacity Magazines, and Pistol Grips

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-new...grips_11072012
Nobody is going to demand that you turn in anything that you already lawfully possess and nobody is going to "come for your guns". I realize that many guns were taken during katrina but those guns have been returned and those acts condemed. Many things may happen and (worse case), we may not be able to sell or transfer banned weapons already "in possession" but even that would be unlikely- possible but unlikely.

Do I believe that a new AWB is likely? (Sure do). Do I believe that our gun laws are going to eventually become something akin to a UK model? (Yep)..How long? Not in our lifetime.
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Old 11-13-2012, 09:57   #158
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I would add: you have your wife and kids with you...

If the gov comes for you unless you have a sizable force you're screwed. Any resistance would have to have widespread support.

Maybe the "Cold dead hands" types would inspire that support, but you as an individual will not survive.
I don't recall anyone saying they would face the tyrannical government forces ALONE. We didn't face the Brits on an individual basis during the Revolution.

Obviously, this wouldn't and couldn't be a revolution of individuals acting alone against a tyrannical government.

So, the appropriate question is: How many here would join forces (militia) and fight for the freedom of our country? Or would you just roll over?

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!- Samuel Adams

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Old 11-13-2012, 12:21   #159
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Would the militia all live together or would you go back to the family homestead at night? Do you leave the guns at the militia office or do they go home with you at night? How does the militia communicate - email? Is that monitored?
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Old 11-13-2012, 12:31   #160
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Any Aussies on here? They could tell you how the government did it when they confiscated all the guns in Oz.
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Old 11-13-2012, 13:39   #161
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Any Aussies on here? They could tell you how the government did it when they confiscated all the guns in Oz.
Well firstly, the Aussies do not have a 2nd Amendment to the Constitution. Secondly, there were not 600 million firearms down under. There are probably more firearms in one large US City than there ever was on the whole Continent down under.
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Old 11-13-2012, 14:12   #162
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Well firstly, the Aussies do not have a 2nd Amendment to the Constitution. Secondly, there were not 600 million firearms down under. There are probably more firearms in one large US City than there ever was on the whole Continent down under.
Where did you get that number?
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Old 11-13-2012, 15:01   #163
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Not. Going. To. Happen. In. The. USA. EVER.


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Old 11-13-2012, 15:04   #164
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My guns are wrapped in the Constitutiuon. 'Nuff said.
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Old 11-13-2012, 15:08   #165
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Would the militia all live together or would you go back to the family homestead at night? Do you leave the guns at the militia office or do they go home with you at night? How does the militia communicate - email? Is that monitored?
In the 1770s, it was mostly BYOG (bring your own gun). They didn't have email or even phones. Yet, somehow they managed to defeat the most powerful military force on the planet (England). And, they did it with small arms.

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But what happens if not everyone sees things from the view of the militia? Because it is no longer the colonial era it might be a bit quicker for the government side to muster up some reinforcements, you know, since they don't have to get a letter on a sailing ship to Great Britian.
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I haven't read back through the entire thread, but before the paranoia gets too out of hand (okay, well, maybe it's too late for that), does anyone want to explain how, at least for the next two years, they'd get this thing through the House? Feinstein can do whatever the hell she wants, but it isn't becoming law.
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Really?

on Katrina:

This act was not enacted by the Federal Gov.. It was a mis-step taken in one city by local LEO's. This act was condemed most Many STates have taken steps to enact laws to prohibit it happening in the future. Katrina confiscated firearms have been returned and its simply not in the same Universe as a Nation Wide gun confiscation.
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I haven't read back through the entire thread, but before the paranoia gets too out of hand (okay, well, maybe it's too late for that), does anyone want to explain how, at least for the next two years, they'd get this thing through the House? Feinstein can do whatever the hell she wants, but it isn't becoming law.
The standard responses are:

1. Executive order.

2. It will happen in 2 years when the Democrats control the house.

3. A SCOTUS Justice will be a appointed that tips the balance to the liberal side and some case will come before them where it somehow results in a huge anti gun and anti 2A ruling.

None of the responses seem very good, if you ask me, for a variety of reasons.
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Old 11-13-2012, 15:26   #171
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But what happens if not everyone sees things from the view of the militia? Because it is no longer the colonial era it might be a bit quicker for the government side to muster up some reinforcements, you know, since they don't have to get a letter on a sailing ship to Great Britian.
If you've read your history, you'd know that not everyone was onboard with the militia back then, either. There were plenty of British sympathizers.

There is no government force that could defeat the mulit-millions of armed citizens. And, it will take ANY government, even today, MUCH longer to muster up a (larger) standing army. Look at how long it takes our modern government to do ANYTHING. It takes the citizens NO TIME by comparison.

History is on our side... in a BIG way. We've done it before. We could do it again, and even better than before. We are far better equipped than they were then. When you consider the dearth of resources back then, the accomplishments of the Patriots are truly stunning.
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on Katrina:

This act was not enacted by the Federal Gov.. It was a mis-step taken in one city by local LEO's. This act was condemed most Many STates have taken steps to enact laws to prohibit it happening in the future. Katrina confiscated firearms have been returned and its simply not in the same Universe as a Nation Wide gun confiscation.
Ummm.... on what authority can you declare that the confiscated firearms were returned??? To my knowledge that is simply NOT true. NONE of the confiscated firearms were recorded. No receipts were given to the victims of this 4A infringement. No cataloging was done. Heirloom guns were taken.... again... no receipts or records. Most were thrown in damp storage only to rust. Few to none were returned, and certainly not in the condition in which they were taken.
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The standard responses are:

1. Executive order. (There are limits to executive orders, ask Bill Clinton)

2. It will happen in 2 years when the Democrats control the house. (There is no model that shows this to even be likely)

3. A SCOTUS Justice will be a appointed that tips the balance to the liberal side and some case will come before them where it somehow results in a huge anti gun and anti 2A ruling. (There are only 2 Justices that could possibly step down within the next 4 years and both are in very good health)

None of the responses seem very good, if you ask me, for a variety of reasons.
Possible but not likely.
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Ummm.... on what authority can you declare that the confiscated firearms were returned??? To my knowledge that is simply NOT true. NONE of the confiscated firearms were recorded. No receipts were given to the victims of this 4A infringement. No cataloging was done. Heirloom guns were taken.... again... no receipts or records. Most were thrown in damp storage only to rust. Few to none were returned, and certainly not in the condition in which they were taken.
On what authority? I am just a guy on the internet talking with fellow gun owners about common everyday things that we all encounter and experience. I read that there was one person left from the katrina event who was still in court over a firearm and that the matter was settled. My comment was simply my impression from news that I followed for a time. I am not making any authoritive proclamation and I have no proof. This is all just friendly fruitful debate between fellow gun owners. At least that is how I intended my comments to be taken.
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I guess some people think the resistance militia will be huge; others, perhaps not quite as convinced.
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