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Old 11-12-2012, 20:02   #21
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Short answer, yes.
That said, my favorite hunting rifle is a Ruger .270 bolt gun.
If I feel the need for a .30 caliber I pull out the Sako trgs in .300 Weatherby.
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Old 11-12-2012, 21:04   #22
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I'd consider the 130 gr bullet to be the mid weight standard for the .270, and 150 gr the mid weight standard for the .30-06. To achieve the same sectional density as a 130 grain .277 bullet, a .308 bullet needs to reach 165 grains in weight. Even at 165 grains, the 130 grain .277 bullet has a much higher ballistic coefficient.

As someone on here said, the argument is rather academic. Trajectory and impact energy are so similar that the differences don't matter for 99.9% of common application. I currently use a .30-06 and have never fired a .270 Winchester.

I think my question should have been - is there any game the .30-06 can take that the .270 can't? I have a feeling that in North America the differences between the two cartridges are academic.
I think they both are *more* than enough for deer/wild hog sized game, but the 06' clearly gets has the edge when it comes to Elk, Moose, and bear due to the ability to use heavier bullets that are better at punching through heavy bone and continuing to penetrate. If medium sized game is what your after then either one will do a dang fine job, and I'd go with the cartridge that I like the most. Deer are not hard to kill, and I've taken as many with my 243 that I got in my youth as I have with my 308Win. I haven't had a deer go more than a few feet before piling up with either. Put the rounds where they need to go using a properly constructed bullet of a proper weight for the game intended and you'll have meat on the table. All other considerations are camp fire talk unless you also want to punch paper, and that's an entirely different discussion.
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Old 11-12-2012, 21:11   #23
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There is nothing in North America that a '06 cant kill. As for the 270, the only animal that I would hesitate shooting would be a grizzly bear.
I have shot dozens of deer with the 270, and none of them knew what hit them, and most fell in place without taking a single step. I know lots of hunters that have taken moose and elk with a 270 with similar results.
The one advantage that the 06 has is that you can load from 100 to 220 grain bullets if that is your thing. With most rifles I would bet that one one end of the scale accuracy would be an issue. The rate of twist on off the shelf rifles is probably sufficient for 150 to 180 grains. I doubt that most rifles would stabilize a 100 grain bullet. I have yet to find a 100 grain load that my 270 will shoot accurately.
Both rounds are excellent for the average hunter and I prefer 270. But, if my hunting area was in bear country I would take the '06
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Old 11-12-2012, 21:17   #24
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Short answer, yes.
That said, my favorite hunting rifle is a Ruger .270 bolt gun.
If I feel the need for a .30 caliber I pull out the Sako trgs in .300 Weatherby.
I had a Sako TRG42 in 300 Win Mag, but I wasn't aware that they were produced in 300 Weatherby?
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Something that is baffling to me is internal ballistics(?). The .270 will throw a 130gr bullet at >3,100f/s, while the '06 has much less velocity with the equivallent sectional density bullet (165gr). The '06 can only come close with the 150gr bullet, which has a lower sectional density.

I would still pick the 150gr/'06 over the 130gr/.270. (for deer)
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:22   #26
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I had a Sako TRG42 in 300 Win Mag, but I wasn't aware that they were produced in 300 Weatherby?
Yep. TRG-S M995. I bought it new in the mid 1990's.
I think the TRG-S has been discontinued. It shoots way better than my MK V Weatherbys did.
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Old 11-14-2012, 08:23   #27
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I guess it depends on the tasks. The 30-06 can handle a heavier grain bullet, and still deliver higher velocity and energy. I believe the 30-06 has a slightly flatter trajectory as well.
'nuff said!
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The one advantage that the 06 has is that you can load from 100 to 220 grain bullets if that is your thing. With most rifles I would bet that one one end of the scale accuracy would be an issue. The rate of twist on off the shelf rifles is probably sufficient for 150 to 180 grains. I doubt that most rifles would stabilize a 100 grain bullet. I have yet to find a 100 grain load that my 270 will shoot accurately.
Both rounds are excellent for the average hunter and I prefer 270. But, if my hunting area was in bear country I would take the '06
There really would be no issue of stability w/ a100gr bullet. IME, you can't over stabalize a bullet. Current rifles may have issues w/ the longer 220gr bullets though. The 270 is a marginal bull elk round IMO, but with proper bullets, it will certainly take elk to 300yds.
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Old 11-15-2012, 14:33   #29
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As stated in the title. Is the .30-06 capable of performing more tasks than the .270 Win?
As a reloader, I can do more with the 30-06 than the 270.

Just look at a reloading manual and see all the bullets in .308 and think of what you can do with each of them. Then remember the Remington 30-06 to 22 sabot sleeves. Then there are round balls in .308.
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As a reloader, I can do more with the 30-06 than the 270.

Just look at a reloading manual and see all the bullets in .308 and think of what you can do with each of them. Then remember the Remington 30-06 to 22 sabot sleeves. Then there are round balls in .308.
So true. The .30-'06 is a much more capable cartridge than the .270.
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For longer ranges and medium game, I'd probably lean .270 for flatter trajectory and flight time (antelope in WY). For med to heavier game at realistic hunting ranges, I'd lean '06 for the option of 180gr and heavier boolits (PNW and elk).

Both had advantages and disadvantages, but both are well proven game-killers well outside of speculative SD and BC arguments. IMO that applies across the whole family of '06 cased rounds.
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'nuff said!
Yep, if you aren't concerned with the accuracy of the statement.
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Yep, if you aren't concerned with the accuracy of the statement.
"'nuff unsaid" then
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So true. The .30-'06 is a much more capable cartridge than the .270.
I love that you agree with me, but I actually didn't say that.

What I am saying is with the current bullet development & gun development, a reloader can do more with the 30-06.

The same can be said for the 45s. Rifle and pistol cartridges.

If there was time and energy devoted to the 270 it could be as flexible as the 30-06.
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I love that you agree with me, but I actually didn't say that.

What I am saying is with the current bullet development & gun development, a reloader can do more with the 30-06.

The same can be said for the 45s. Rifle and pistol cartridges.

If there was time and energy devoted to the 270 it could be as flexible as the 30-06.
C'mon now. No amount of bullet and gun development can ever turn the .270 into an elk or moose cartridge like the .30-'06 easily is.
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C'mon now. No amount of bullet and gun development can ever turn the .270 into an elk or moose cartridge like the .30-'06 easily is.
Change the bullet design. Change the twist in the barrel. Look into the powders that can change the 270 into a 270 magnum. I would also suggest doing and Adkins to it.

Yes, the 270 could be better than the current 30-06 on the market and maybe better than what can be hand loaded.
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You mean Ackley?
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You mean Ackley?
Thank you.

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I love that you agree with me, but I actually didn't say that.

What I am saying is with the current bullet development & gun development, a reloader can do more with the 30-06.

The same can be said for the 45s. Rifle and pistol cartridges.

If there was time and energy devoted to the 270 it could be as flexible as the 30-06.
The round has been around since When?, how much time do y'all need?

If you look at the SAAMI specs and chamber dimensions you may well discover that there isn't much room to ge heavier bullets into the envelope. Plus the ract that twist rates in barrels to date favor the lighter bullets you are just about at the point of wildcatting it.
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Ackley Improved cartridges usually get about 2% more case volume by bumping the shoulder to 40 degrees and taking any taper out of the case walls. The Sierra manual contends that taking out the taper helps mask pressure signs, which is where most of the perceived improvement originated - gross overloads in a time where few people had chronographs and copper crushers. They go on to estimate that velocity improvements at similar pressure levels is about 40-50 fps. AI conversions will squeeze out a little more for you, but just aren't worth the hassle, IMHO.
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