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Old 11-11-2012, 12:40   #101
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Nah..."it ain't going to happen"

Yea, okay. Has it happened before? Yes. Katrina should be a good example.

Is there momentum for making it happen now? Yes, both party members have indicated that further gun restrictions are something that "should be" tackled. And when there is another mass shooting, you will see an acceleration.

Do I expect them to knock on doors when the laws change or treaty is signed? No. However I do expect that you'll be told to turn them in or you will be deemed a criminal. If you then take them to the range, post about your vast collection, order parts for them, etc, you may then get a knock on the door. If you use them in self defense, you will be convicted of the respective crime. If the government expands enough to check on ownership, you may receive threatening calls or letters.

So, no...I don't see door-to-door searches. However I see you being put in a position where you either curl up in the corner and be quiet about them or you will be deemed a criminal.

Enjoy, America...this is the change you voted for.
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Old 11-11-2012, 13:06   #102
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10mm..... will not go through armor


im sure you were being sarcastic tho
I have never fired a 10mm (to scared to myself) but I hear they are basically small nuclear projectiles
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Old 11-11-2012, 13:32   #103
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Maybe the left is floating this idea to blunt the massive increase in buying that comes with every democrat victory. I think it is political suicide for Representatives and Senators, and 1\3 of the Senate is up for reelection in 2014. I doubt the dems want this hanging over their head. But then, I had a fool (gun store clerk) screaming at me in a gun store 4 years ago when I told him I didn't think the demorats had the political balls to ban guns.
I'd have asked him why he was working in a GUN STORE (before I had him fired for screaming at me)
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Old 11-11-2012, 15:16   #104
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Again, you think they have the manpower to visit evry single FFL in the nation and get copies of the 4473s and bound books?



Again, showing up to the FFLs to havest the 4473s would require massive manpower. Plus all the time and manpower to go through them. It's not that feasible to scan them, either. The paper used for the forms is crappy, and starts to degrade. Ive seen 18 month old 4473s that were falling apart and completely unreadable due to faded ink and rotting paper.

As for NICS, FL does it all at a state level. Even then, they get your info, and type of firearm. No make, model, serial number, etc. They know if it is a pistol, long arm, or receiver. Same goes for states that use federal NICS. Even if they did ignore federal law (which mandates destruction of the records within 72 hours, as I remember) and keep records, that's still a thin amount of info to go on.
Easy. Just change the law and tell the dealers to send them in or go to jail. Most will send them in. The ones that don't won't be that many, especially after a few have been publicly made examples of.

Any dealer that has gone out of business in the last 20 years, has sent them in already, or the ATF has already paid them a visit.

And they aren't going to believe all those face to face gun sales any more than they will believe all those tragic boating accidents, if you don't have some good documentation. May be a few isolated sales, but dozens or hundreds. Nothing else they will get you for being a dealer without a license.

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Old 11-11-2012, 15:26   #105
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I have never fired a 10mm (to scared to myself) but I hear they are basically small nuclear projectiles
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Old 11-11-2012, 15:54   #106
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Again, you think they have the manpower to visit evry single FFL in the nation and get copies of the 4473s and bound books?



Again, showing up to the FFLs to havest the 4473s would require massive manpower. Plus all the time and manpower to go through them. It's not that feasible to scan them, either. The paper used for the forms is crappy, and starts to degrade. Ive seen 18 month old 4473s that were falling apart and completely unreadable due to faded ink and rotting paper.

As for NICS, FL does it all at a state level. Even then, they get your info, and type of firearm. No make, model, serial number, etc. They know if it is a pistol, long arm, or receiver. Same goes for states that use federal NICS. Even if they did ignore federal law (which mandates destruction of the records within 72 hours, as I remember) and keep records, that's still a thin amount of info to go on.
The ATF is already doing this. One local gun store has taken the ATF to court over them demanding complete access to their records. The LGS won in court. It makes me proud to spend my hard earned dollars there but also makes me wonder how many other FFL's have caved in to the ATF and provided records.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/584349/posts

Bob's sued a second time when the ATF demanded all records of third party transfers.

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Old 11-11-2012, 16:33   #107
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I'd have asked him why he was working in a GUN STORE (before I had him fired for screaming at me)
That's the way they are at that particular store. The owner and other clerks heard it, but they just didn't care. Maybe they thought I was a democrat. The more he screamed about Obama banning guns, the more panic and fear the other customers felt, the more they bougth. It was all about creating a panic to separate us from our money.

The clerks at that store will lie their ass off about something, and when you tell them you know better, they lie some more and get all pissy. I don't buy there any more. I don't think I've been there since.
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Old 11-11-2012, 17:30   #108
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I will never in my life turn over my legally purchased property.
I am more than willing to protect what I have, by violence if necessary.


I have never harmed a person in my life. I hope to never have to. I will not however be pushed.
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Old 11-11-2012, 18:23   #109
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Old 11-11-2012, 18:26   #110
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Pass the tin foil hats folks!

If the government tried to take peoples guns it would be Civil War #2, and your kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

First think of all the guys in this country who own a AR or AK, and then think of the number that would use them before handing them in. We are talking hundreds of thousands!
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Old 11-11-2012, 18:28   #111
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I have never harmed a person in my life. I hope to never have to. I will not however be pushed.
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Old 11-12-2012, 04:15   #112
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Why do the voters in CA keep re-electing her? If a Senator from FL tried that, he would be voted out the next election. Bill Nelson ran for Governor of FL on a gun control ticket and lost.
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Old 11-12-2012, 07:25   #113
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I am a vet, a firefighter, a paramedic, and a very proud American. I love my guns and my bourbon, try to take either and we will have problems. This country was built on us defending our family, our homes, our country and our rights. When I swore in I swore to defend our country against foreign AND domestic, and I intend to.

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Old 11-12-2012, 07:46   #114
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I am a vet, a firefighter, a paramedic, and a very proud American. I love my guns and my bourbon, try to take either and we will have problems. This country was built on us defending our family, our homes, our country and our rights. When I swore in I swore to defend our country against foreign AND domestic, and I intend to.

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There are a lot of Americans just like me, but they won't tip their hand the way we do on this forum, and that's okay because they will be there when we need them.

To those that don't believe there are patriots on this forum....You could not be more wrong!!!


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Old 11-12-2012, 09:45   #115
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Here's some food for thought. All you guys with your CCW permits you are so proud of are low hanging fruit for any serious confiscation efforts. Who do you think they will start with?

Not trying to start anything, but just something to think about.
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Old 11-12-2012, 10:24   #116
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Here's some food for thought. All you guys with your CCW permits you are so proud of are low hanging fruit for any serious confiscation efforts. Who do you think they will start with?

Not trying to start anything, but just something to think about.
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If this scenario were to happen, I believe that many in the military and law enforcement would refuse to follow orders.

I want to belive this statement but unfortunately I do not.

To me I've come to the conclusion that law enforcement for the most part are mindless drones that will follow any order or unjust law and the military is no different. Sorry guys I don't mean to cop bash, I really dont. That's just reality.
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Old 11-12-2012, 10:46   #119
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Why do the voters in CA keep re-electing her? If a Senator from FL tried that, he would be voted out the next election. Bill Nelson ran for Governor of FL on a gun control ticket and lost.

San Francisco and the city of Los Angleles have a huge population of completed idiots.
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Really, what are the odds that the government will erase the second ammendment?
I hope never. I doubt it would be an easy thing to do.
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