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Old 11-04-2012, 11:30   #51
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It won't happen because it would be a treaty and Congress has to vote on treaties. We elect a President, not a king.
^^^^ this.

Plus, the US has already placed so many red lines on so many aspects of the proposed treaty, it negated any possibility of the US ever being any part of it.
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Old 11-04-2012, 13:56   #52
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Old 11-09-2012, 11:07   #53
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Received this this morning????? Valid??

HERE IT COMES, BE PREPARED !!

On Wednesday Obama Took the First Major Step in a Plan to Ban All Firearms in the United States .


The crooks can't be controled and the government is a separate entity. Looks like our biggest fear is coming true. Only the crooks will have guns, government included and who will be the biggest crook?

U.S.reverses stance on treaty to regulate arms trade

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States reversed policy on Wednesday and said it would back launching talks on a treaty to regulate arms sales as long as the talks operated by consensus, a stance critics said gave every nation a veto.

The decision, announced in a statement released by the U.S. State Department, overturns the position of former President George W. Bush's administration, which had opposed such a treaty on the grounds that national controls were better.

On Wednesday Obama Took the First Major Step in a Plan to Ban All Firearms in the United States . The Obama administration intends to force gun control and a complete ban on all weapons for US citizens through the signing of international treaties with foreign nations. By signing international treaties on gun control, the Obama administration can use the US State Department to bypass the normal legislative process in Congress. Once the US Government signs these international treaties, all US citizens will be subject to those gun laws created by foreign governments. These are laws that have been developed and promoted by organizations such as the United Nations and individuals such as George Soros and Michael Bloomberg. The laws are designed and intended to lead to the complete ban and confiscation of all firearms.

The Obama administration is attempting to use tactics and methods of gun control that will inflict major damage to our 2nd Amendment before US citizens even understand what has happened. Obama can appear before the public and tell them that he does not intend to pursue any legislation (in the United States) that will lead to new gun control laws, while cloaked in secrecy, his Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton is committing the US to international treaties and foreign gun control laws. Does that mean Obama is telling the truth? What it means is that there will be no publicized gun control debates in the media or votes in Congress. We will wake up one morning and find that the United States has signed a treaty that prohibits firearm and ammu nition manufacturers from selling to the public. We will wake up another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that prohibits any transfer of firearm ownership. And then, we will wake up yet another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that requires US citizens to deliver any firearm they own to the local government collection and destruction center or face imprisonment.

This is not a joke nor a false warning. As sure as government health care will be forced on us by the Obama administration through whatever means necessary, so will gun control.

Please forward this message to others who may be concerned about the direction in which our country is headed.

We are being led like a lamb to the slaughter (Socialism/Dictatorship).

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The crooks can't be controlled and the government is a separate entity. Looks like our biggest fear is coming true. Only the crooks will have guns, government included and who will be the biggest crook?


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Old 11-09-2012, 16:01   #54
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HERE IT COMES, BE PREPARED !!

On Wednesday Obama Took the First Major Step in a Plan to Ban All Firearms in the United States .


The crooks can't be controled and the government is a separate entity. Looks like our biggest fear is coming true. Only the crooks will have guns, government included and who will be the biggest crook?

U.S.reverses stance on treaty to regulate arms trade

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States reversed policy on Wednesday and said it would back launching talks on a treaty to regulate arms sales as long as the talks operated by consensus, a stance critics said gave every nation a veto.

The decision, announced in a statement released by the U.S. State Department, overturns the position of former President George W. Bush's administration, which had opposed such a treaty on the grounds that national controls were better.

On Wednesday Obama Took the First Major Step in a Plan to Ban All Firearms in the United States . The Obama administration intends to force gun control and a complete ban on all weapons for US citizens through the signing of international treaties with foreign nations. By signing international treaties on gun control, the Obama administration can use the US State Department to bypass the normal legislative process in Congress. Once the US Government signs these international treaties, all US citizens will be subject to those gun laws created by foreign governments. These are laws that have been developed and promoted by organizations such as the United Nations and individuals such as George Soros and Michael Bloomberg. The laws are designed and intended to lead to the complete ban and confiscation of all firearms.

The Obama administration is attempting to use tactics and methods of gun control that will inflict major damage to our 2nd Amendment before US citizens even understand what has happened. Obama can appear before the public and tell them that he does not intend to pursue any legislation (in the United States) that will lead to new gun control laws, while cloaked in secrecy, his Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton is committing the US to international treaties and foreign gun control laws. Does that mean Obama is telling the truth? What it means is that there will be no publicized gun control debates in the media or votes in Congress. We will wake up one morning and find that the United States has signed a treaty that prohibits firearm and ammu nition manufacturers from selling to the public. We will wake up another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that prohibits any transfer of firearm ownership. And then, we will wake up yet another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that requires US citizens to deliver any firearm they own to the local government collection and destruction center or face imprisonment.

This is not a joke nor a false warning. As sure as government health care will be forced on us by the Obama administration through whatever means necessary, so will gun control.

Please forward this message to others who may be concerned about the direction in which our country is headed.

We are being led like a lamb to the slaughter (Socialism/Dictatorship).

DON'T KEEP THIS - SEND IT OUT TO YOUR LIST

The crooks can't be controlled and the government is a separate entity. Looks like our biggest fear is coming true. Only the crooks will have guns, government included and who will be the biggest crook?


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Old 11-10-2012, 16:44   #55
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^^^^ this.

Plus, the US has already placed so many red lines on so many aspects of the proposed treaty, it negated any possibility of the US ever being any part of it.
Nobody can predict the future but this is surely worth considering:

Quote from Dick Morris:

Now advocates of the Treaty, as we predicted, are back and have introduced a resolution in the UN General Assembly calling for the resumption of negotiations and outlining a new procedure to get it passed even if the US objects.

Under their plan -- likely to be approved later this month by the General Assembly -- the negotiators are not going to seek consensus (read: U.S. approval) but will write the Treaty as they please and introduce it to the General Assembly for approval. If two-thirds of the Assembly vote for the treaty (a foregone conclusion), then it will be submitted to the nations of the world for signature and ratification. Nobody will be able to change the Treaty, they have the option of signing or not.

When sixty nations have signed, the Treaty will take effect and be binding on those who have signed and ratified it.

Here's the rest of the plan: After the election is over, Obama and Hillary will probably sign the Treaty. They then won't submit it for ratification since, under the Vienna Convention, it takes effect automatically on their signature even without Senate ratification. That means that the Treaty takes full effect unless one of two things happen:

(a) Either the Senate votes to kill the Treaty, or

(b) The president or a future president renounces it

The first option won't happen. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid won't permit the Treaty to come up for a vote in the lame duck Senate session that begins after Election Day. He knows it would lose. So, as long as Obama is president and he doesn't renounce the Treaty, it will take effect without Senate action.

We need to mobilize to stop this end run around our Constitution. Once the Arms Trade Treaty is signed by Obama, it will open the door to international gun controls imposed by the Geneva-based enforcers of the Treaty.

(Nominally, the Treaty bars the exportation of small arms by private individuals or companies to foreign countries. But, in its enforcement, it obliges signatory countries to require registration of the small arms in their citizens' possession. And, if that fails to stop the export of small arms, it empowers the global body to take further steps, likely to include prohibition and confiscation.


People can theorize all they want...but obviously there are some people who feel pretty strongly about Obama's 2nd Amendment disregard....enough to turn down business of those who voted for him:

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Although that is kinda harsh and I don't think I'd personally go that far, I can't say I blame them one bit.
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Old 11-10-2012, 16:57   #56
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Well, I guess it's time to speak my piece and it won't be pretty.

There will not be any change in the second amendment if Obama is re elected. That being said, if I remember correctly, the second amendment came about while muskets were fashionable. It's time to reassess the law. Our average citizens don't need assault rifles with 100 round drum magazines and you don't need an AK47 to go hunting. These weapons are dangerous in the hands of other than Military or Police. Also, for those people who think a revolutions is coming, I want what your'e drinking.
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You are an idiot.
What he said X100000000

You (BADOS) obviously don't know a damn thing about the 2nd Amendment or its purpose. First and foremost, it is included in the Bill of Rights, not the "Bill of Needs". Meaning it's not about what BADOS thinks people "need" or not. If I wanna own an AK I'm gonna own an AK. If I wanna own 100 AK's, I"m gonnna own 100 of them.

I have no problem with not selling full auto machine guns to the average citizen (although I believe if someone is willing and able to go through all of the Class 3 red tape to get one, it is his or her right as well and should not be infringed), but any restrictions on semi automatic weapons of any caliber 50 BMG or lower is a direct infringement of the right of the people to keep and bear arms. In other words, it's a crime against the free people of the USA.

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Old 11-10-2012, 17:39   #58
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The second amendment was written to ensure the citizens of our country had equal fire power as the government. It was musket to musket back then. The purpose of the second amendment was not only self protection from bandits and murderers. It was mostly to defend ourselves from a tyrannical government rule.

We already don't have equal firepower and they want to take more.

The amendments were well thought out. These people had fled an oppressive government, they were looking for freedom. The first amendment is free speech, the second is the right to bear arms to protect that speech. In that order. These men were not dumb or archaic. This was well thought out and planned for our future. Now.
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The second amendment was written to ensure the citizens of our country had equal fire power as the government. It was musket to musket back then. The purpose of the second amendment was not only self protection from bandits and murderers. It was mostly to defend ourselves from a tyrannical government rule.

We already don't have equal firepower and they want to take more.

The amendments were well thought out. These people had fled an oppressive government, they were looking for freedom. The first amendment is free speech, the second is the right to bear arms to protect that speech. In that order. These men were not dumb or archaic. This was well thought out and planned for our future. Now.
A few famous quotes from our founders sum it up perfectly:

1. Free people shall never be debarred the use of arms

2. When people fear their government, there is tyranny

3. The best way to enslave people is to disarm them

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Although that is kinda harsh and I don't think I'd personally go that far, I can't say I blame them one bit.
This represents why Conservative thought is a dangerous thing in a nation based on freedom.

This sign is akin to the Star of David used in the late 1930s to mark and set apart the Jews in Europe. Because Conservatives are by in large authoritarians, this tendency to separate those who don't agree with their extremism must be called out for what it is; un-American.
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" But, but, but, didn't the Founders use the term "Militia" to describe a group of guys who got together to go deer hunting each fall???"






Funny the Founders protected the peole from opression by the weapons of their day, some people think we should still use those weapons to protect ourselves from oppression by the weapons of today.


The Founders didn't need an internet, TV or radio, what do they have to do with freedom of speech today?

They should be censored because the Founders were talking about the communication tools of their day.
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This represents why Conservative thought is a dangerous thing in a nation based on freedom.

This sign is akin to the Star of David used in the late 1930s to mark and set apart the Jews in Europe. Because Conservatives are by in large authoritarians, this tendency to separate those who don't agree with their extremism must be called out for what it is; un-American.
Your View is backas*wards. Democrats lean towards bigger government. Conservatives, smaller government. What's more authoritarian? Democrats=gun control, rebublicans=less gun control.......

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Your View is backas*wards. Democrats lean towards bigger government. Conservatives, smaller government. What's more authoritarian? Democrats=gun control, rebublicans=less gun control.......

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Dude, please! The idea of small government Conservatism is an absolute joke. Conservatives LOVE making decisions for what people do in their private lives like a house on fire. In each and every case, you guys go straight for a government solution to enforce restrictions on freedoms. Small government conservative? Iíve never seen one!

You people love to dictate (a reflexive response for all good authoritarian types) birth control using the governments hand. You people want to determine who can merry whom using the governmentís hand. Letís not forget the conservative support of forcing women to undergo unnecessary exams. Of course, there are issues like attacking the wrong country (Iraq), attempts force all kinds of restrictions on freedoms by way of updates to the constitution (more big government). Luckily, many such attempts failed. Point is that you people attempted many actions to restrict freedom using big government solutions.

Don't give me that tired old talking point about small government Conservatism, because that dog donít hunt!
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Your View is backas*wards. Democrats lean towards bigger government. Conservatives, smaller government. What's more authoritarian? Democrats=gun control, rebublicans=less gun control.......

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Dude, please! The idea of small government Conservatism is an absolute joke. Conservatives LOVE making decisions for what people do in their private lives like a house on fire. In each and every case, you guys go straight for a government solution to enforce restrictions on freedoms. Small government conservative? I’ve never seen one!

You people love to dictate (a reflexive response for all good authoritarian types) birth control using the governments hand. You people want to determine who can merry whom using the government’s hand. Let’s not forget the conservative support of forcing women to undergo unnecessary exams. Of course, there are issues like attacking the wrong country (Iraq), attempts force all kinds of restrictions on freedoms by way of updates to the constitution (more big government). Luckily, many such attempts failed. Point is that you people attempted many actions to restrict freedom using big government solutions.

Don't give me that tired old talking point about small government Conservatism, because that dog don’t hunt!
A Democrat accusing others of restrictions. Wow.

Birth control should be a private matter, not government sponsored.
I would agree that both parties have done poorly in staying the governments reach. This isn't the way most Republicans think though.
If you think conservatives and Democrats agree on governments reach..... I got an oceanfront property in ohio to sell ya.

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Taxes on guns and ammo is what I believe is most likely. Make argument gun violence putting burden on obumacare. This general argument already made in Cook County, Illinois to put a $25 on all gun purchases.

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Dude, please! The idea of small government Conservatism is an absolute joke. Conservatives LOVE making decisions for what people do in their private lives like a house on fire. In each and every case, you guys go straight for a government solution to enforce restrictions on freedoms. Small government conservative? Iíve never seen one!

You people love to dictate (a reflexive response for all good authoritarian types) birth control using the governments hand. You people want to determine who can merry whom using the governmentís hand. Letís not forget the conservative support of forcing women to undergo unnecessary exams. Of course, there are issues like attacking the wrong country (Iraq), attempts force all kinds of restrictions on freedoms by way of updates to the constitution (more big government). Luckily, many such attempts failed. Point is that you people attempted many actions to restrict freedom using big government solutions.

Don't give me that tired old talking point about small government Conservatism, because that dog donít hunt!
Agreed, lol. "I want small government, I want the government to stay out of my life. But I want to make damn sure the government controls every single part of my neighbor's lives. But don't you dare try to control my life, because that's wrong."
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Well, I guess it's time to speak my piece and it won't be pretty.

There will not be any change in the second amendment if Obama is re elected. That being said, if I remember correctly, the second amendment came about while muskets were fashionable. It's time to reassess the law. Our average citizens don't need assault rifles with 100 round drum magazines and you don't need an AK47 to go hunting. These weapons are dangerous in the hands of other than Military or Police. Also, for those people who think a revolutions is coming, I want what your'e drinking.
Dumbass. The 2nd amendment wasn't about hunting and still isn't. It is about having the weapons common to the infantry so that we can resist tyranny in government. That is it's ONLY purpose. Nothing to do with hunting, nothing to do with self-defense from common criminals. The men who wrote the constitution had just fought a revolution against an oppressive government because they had weapons at least as good as the common military arms (including cannon). You want them dumbass? Come and take them.

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Dude, please! The idea of small government Conservatism is an absolute joke. Conservatives LOVE making decisions for what people do in their private lives like a house on fire. In each and every case, you guys go straight for a government solution to enforce restrictions on freedoms. Small government conservative? Iíve never seen one!

You people love to dictate (a reflexive response for all good authoritarian types) birth control using the governments hand. You people want to determine who can merry whom using the governmentís hand. Letís not forget the conservative support of forcing women to undergo unnecessary exams. Of course, there are issues like attacking the wrong country (Iraq), attempts force all kinds of restrictions on freedoms by way of updates to the constitution (more big government). Luckily, many such attempts failed. Point is that you people attempted many actions to restrict freedom using big government solutions.

Don't give me that tired old talking point about small government Conservatism, because that dog donít hunt!
Not even close. Let me answer in equal terms. "You people love to define that murder of children is birth control. You want to dictate that the rest of us have to accept unnatural same-sex relations as "marriage" against the dictates of our religions and our moral values (we've offered to accept civil unions to grant legal rights and been rejected). "

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i made a joke about lee harvey oswald could fix whats wrong with our country...follwed by the standard LOL....and the thread got locked because of "TOS" and a little scolding from a mod.

i figured talking about shooting a UN troop in the head met that standard as well, but i thought it too was a joke when said.....but i guess not....
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