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Old 11-11-2012, 08:12   #81
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My doctor only buys guns face-to-face, and refuses to get her CCW to keep "off the radar".

She is soooooooooooo anti-(current administration).

The first time I saw her it was for a GSW. I was expecting a lot of anti-gun crap.

But no, she was aking about the gun, what type of rounds, and so on.....

She is about 2 steps to the right, of anyone you ever knew or heard of....
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Old 11-11-2012, 08:37   #82
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Disturbing topic. Even more disturbing video from about 7 years ago:

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She is about 2 steps to the right, of anyone you ever knew or heard of....
I'm so far to the right that I can tap myself on my left shoulder


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Old 11-11-2012, 08:53   #84
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Back around 1774, the British tried to do the same thing to Americans. It did not end well for them.

At that time, didn’t Americans get mad and dump some Tea in a Harbor over a 3% tax?

Now, taxes are over 33%. After Obama Care goes into effect, each state will be different but I have read in the state of Oregon with all the taxes taken from a paycheck, it could be around 57%.

Times have changed and there are a large percentage of people who will give up freedom for security. Election Day proved that.
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Old 11-11-2012, 08:57   #85
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I don't think it will come to confiscation. But if it does, it won't happen like most of you think.

Under the pretense of eminent domain, the government would offer a type of buy back. There could be a grace period where gun owners are "allowed" to turn in their weapons and receive compensation without charges. Meanwhile, 4473's would be digitized, if they aren't already. There have been numerous stories about liberal mayors trying to get the NICS records for years. We might think those records are being destroyed, but how many other laws are our governments (federal, state, and local) already violating? Do you really think Barack Obama, Chuck Schumer and their ilk feel restrained by law? Even if they do, digitizing 4473's are a matter of running the form through a fast scanner, and compiling the data by socialism security numbers.

They could to use the NICS records of purchases since Obama took office. Most of the people who bought firearms since then, already own other firearms. Approach those gun owners and get what has been banned. They won't ban ALL firearms, just evil black rifles. There are a lot of Fudds out there who will not only support, but comply. I once heard a Fudd in a gun store telling his son that "there is no reason to own one of those rifles" as they walked by the AR-15 case at Guns and Ammo in Memphis TN. Government loves to divide and conquer. Hunters who do not own evil black rifles will be eager for us to turn our EBR's in.

Then they could go to a reward program. Turn in your neighbor, get a reward. That would eliminate a lot of the big talkers. Just postings on the internet would give government a lot of people to check out. I doubt they would ever go door to door. I doubt they would ever have to.

All these idiots who talk big on the internet, will be the first ones to turn them in.

They don't have to confiscate all EBR's. All they have to do is criminalize the ownership and transfer, and that is effectively ban enough. When they get the 4473's digitized, the people who own several EBR's could be dealt with first. The rest will resolve themselves.

But all those boobs who say stupid **** like "from my cold dead hands".... when the time comes and they find themselves isolated and alone, will gladly turn over their EBR's for the money the government is offering.

At that point, we revert back to Remington and Mossberg shotguns, and semi automatic .30 caliber rifles for hunting and sporting purposes.

That's how they get us. They won't ban all guns, just evil black rifles. "Reasonable" gun owners will think this is realistic and logical.

Don't be fooled by the big talkers on the internet. They are NOT going to go down fighting if and when they find themselves alone, and against a government TACT squad. They like to talk big.

But again, I don't think it will come to confiscation. But if it does, government will figure ways to do it. The ONLY thing bureaucrats are good at, is oppression.
I, unhappily, suspect that you are right about most of this.
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I do believe if an all out ban happened that as some have said here, there would be a lot of the "cold dead hands" talkers turning in their guns.
If I was younger and my kids where still little I would be one of those big talkers turning in my guns.
I am middle aged now and an angry white man who if pushed into a corner will NOT go down without a fight!
I hope there at least a few of us that would still be willing to die for what we believe in....
Hope we never have to find out!
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Old 11-11-2012, 09:03   #87
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I don't think it will come to confiscation. But if it does, it won't happen like most of you think.

Under the pretense of eminent domain, the government would offer a type of buy back. There could be a grace period where gun owners are "allowed" to turn in their weapons and receive compensation without charges. Meanwhile, 4473's would be digitized, if they aren't already. There have been numerous stories about liberal mayors trying to get the NICS records for years. We might think those records are being destroyed, but how many other laws are our governments (federal, state, and local) already violating? Do you really think Barack Obama, Chuck Schumer and their ilk feel restrained by law? Even if they do, digitizing 4473's are a matter of running the form through a fast scanner, and compiling the data by socialism security numbers.

They could to use the NICS records of purchases since Obama took office. Most of the people who bought firearms since then, already own other firearms. Approach those gun owners and get what has been banned. They won't ban ALL firearms, just evil black rifles. There are a lot of Fudds out there who will not only support, but comply. I once heard a Fudd in a gun store telling his son that "there is no reason to own one of those rifles" as they walked by the AR-15 case at Guns and Ammo in Memphis TN. Government loves to divide and conquer. Hunters who do not own evil black rifles will be eager for us to turn our EBR's in.

Then they could go to a reward program. Turn in your neighbor, get a reward. That would eliminate a lot of the big talkers. Just postings on the internet would give government a lot of people to check out. I doubt they would ever go door to door. I doubt they would ever have to.

All these idiots who talk big on the internet, will be the first ones to turn them in.

They don't have to confiscate all EBR's. All they have to do is criminalize the ownership and transfer, and that is effectively ban enough. When they get the 4473's digitized, the people who own several EBR's could be dealt with first. The rest will resolve themselves.

But all those boobs who say stupid **** like "from my cold dead hands".... when the time comes and they find themselves isolated and alone, will gladly turn over their EBR's for the money the government is offering.

At that point, we revert back to Remington and Mossberg shotguns, and semi automatic .30 caliber rifles for hunting and sporting purposes.

That's how they get us. They won't ban all guns, just evil black rifles. "Reasonable" gun owners will think this is realistic and logical.

Don't be fooled by the big talkers on the internet. They are NOT going to go down fighting if and when they find themselves alone, and against a government TACT squad. They like to talk big.

But again, I don't think it will come to confiscation. But if it does, government will figure ways to do it. The ONLY thing bureaucrats are good at, is oppression.
This. Ban (1994)followed by registration (1934) with no possibility of transfer of ownership (Feinstein's new proposal)

As far as the people that say they won't turn them in, they will and anyone that decides to go the patriot way will be seen as a wild eyed crazed militia member. Look at the way Randy Weaver was viewed at the time. A lot of gun owners supported the state and their actions at the time. Now, as the truth has come out, Weaver is viewed in a different light. Same thing with the Branch Davidians. A lot of people supported Janet Sterno and the state sanctioned torching of women and children.

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Same here!

If they want them, come and get them! I'll give them the bullets first



Americans don't think it can happen here......but it will, in our lifetime!

I think the question we should be asking is, "should we start organizing militias now?".

The Japanese didn't invade this country in 1941 because they knew that many Americans were well-armed. WOULD YOU HAVE FOUGHT THEM IF THEY HAD INVADED? I would have. Why should our own government be any different than an invading army? Isn't that why the 2nd Amendment was included in the Bill of Rights?

It's NOT bravado when I say that I would fire the first shot to start the New Revolution.....IT'S MY DUTY and MY RIGHT!!!!!!!



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Japan did not invade America in WWII because they could not logistically nor militarily not because of "armed American citizens". Your referring to the Yamamoto quote but taking it out of context.

And we are nowhere near the point of needing to form militias. You are confusing the fact that you disagree with the results of the elections / direction the country is currently headed with the ideal that it was / is somehow unconstitutional and thus demands an armed response from the citizens.

The effective way to correct the direction the country is headed is thru the political system not thru some unreasonable internet babble about a revolution.

And as posted logistically it is impossible to enforce door to door confiscation. Anybody have even a single example of something even half that scale ever occurring in America?

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No need to confiscate - just make them illegal and issue an amnesty period.
Anyone caught with one after the amnesty period goes to jail, regardless of the circumstances.

What is the use of owning one, if you can never use it. Ever.
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I dobt think it'll be guns they'll confinscate. They will just take ALL the ammo off the market. What good are guns without ammo? No reloading supplies, nothing.

Yes, many of you have stockpiles of it (some more than others...) but with no more EVER available, how willing would you be for a day on the range???

Then you have to figure, all the ammo you have now, is all you will ever have. And we all know, you can never have enough.

So unless we take to the streets, most people are going to value thier ammo more than gold. And I have never seen anyone just got out for a day to throw out old gold....

I dont care what anyone says, I WILL go down fighting! If someone knocks on my door asking for my guns, they will get one bullet at a time! That way it will be at LEAST one less guy to go try to take my neighbors guns!

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**** them! And **** the U.N. They will take us all down one by one if we set in our homes and cry about it.
If it starts you better be in the streets and ready to fight.
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Other than defending family and friends, any sort of attempt at firearms confiscation will lead to me fighting to the death.

Might sound silly, but you have to have principals, and line you draw that is not to be crossed. That would be mine. The 2A is the Ammendment that guarantees all other rights in this country.

Still, I highly doubt we are going to see anything of such nature, but ya never know.

Nothing could be worse than being forced to fight amongst ourselves, brother versus brother. We've done it once, I hope it never happens again.
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don't do like gunkid did and sell your only handgun to two Black Muslim guys from NYC.
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I dobt think it'll be guns they'll confinscate. They will just take ALL the ammo off the market. What good are guns without ammo? No reloading supplies, nothing.

Yes, many of you have stockpiles of it (some more than others...) but with no more EVER available, how willing would you be for a day on the range???

Then you have to figure, all the ammo you have now, is all you will ever have. And we all know, you can never have enough.

So unless we take to the streets, most people are going to value thier ammo more than gold. And I have never seen anyone just got out for a day to throw out old gold....

I dont care what anyone says, I WILL go down fighting! If someone knocks on my door asking for my guns, they will get one bullet at a time! That way it will be at LEAST one less guy to go try to take my neighbors guns!

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Maybe but I doubt it. .223 is too established as a sporting/hunting round. Also there are billions of 5.56/.223 rounds in existence, that is more or less an endless supply in the scenario of a ban.

I can foresee the attempt to bring back the AWB of the 90s but can not see an attempt to to bring an all out ban. I do not think it is a top priority of Obama at all.

Also the day Feinstein does not try a gun ban is the day I will take notice of her.
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Other than defending family and friends, any sort of attempt at firearms confiscation will lead to me fighting to the death.

Might sound silly, but you have to have principals, and line you draw that is not to be crossed. That would be mine. The 2A is the Ammendment that guarantees all other rights in this country.

Still, I highly doubt we are going to see anything of such nature, but ya never know.

Nothing could be worse than being forced to fight amongst ourselves, brother versus brother. We've done it once, I hope it never happens again.
Just know that if that happens again this time the South is gonna kick the crap out the Yankees
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the reason they banned MODEREN full autos, and rocket launchers and tanks and things of this nature for civillians is.............



SO THAT IF THERE EVER WAS ANOTHER REVOLUTION ATTEMPT THEY COULD CRUSH US WITHOUT EVEN TRYING VERY HARD!!!


even if all the people of the USA went against the goobermint, we would all get our arses handed to us,


think about it.. we would NEVER stand a chance of defeating the tyranny ever again
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the reason they banned MODEREN full autos, and rocket launchers and tanks and things of this nature for civillians is.............



SO THAT IF THERE EVER WAS ANOTHER REVOLUTION ATTEMPT THEY COULD CRUSH US WITHOUT EVEN TRYING VERY HARD!!!


even if all the people of the USA went against the goobermint, we would all get our arses handed to us,


think about it.. we would NEVER stand a chance of defeating the tyranny ever again

1. The U.S. military is not going to turn on the citizens of the U.S. in some tyrannical overthrow of the CoTUS. Not now and not in our lifetime.

2. History is full of examples of "outgunned" forces over coming superior firepower. Not to mention we have 10mm handguns so no problem with armored forces.
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the reason they banned MODEREN full autos, and rocket launchers and tanks and things of this nature for civillians is.............



SO THAT IF THERE EVER WAS ANOTHER REVOLUTION ATTEMPT THEY COULD CRUSH US WITHOUT EVEN TRYING VERY HARD!!!


even if all the people of the USA went against the goobermint, we would all get our arses handed to us,


think about it.. we would NEVER stand a chance of defeating the tyranny ever again
If this scenario were to happen, I believe that many in the military and law enforcement would refuse to follow orders. I think that the first few citizens to resist and die would make the news and be portrayed as terrorists. Hopefully we would later make the history books as true patriots. Once the government sees that we will resist tyranny and that LEO and military are refusing to take our guns by force the government will give in.

I don't think gun confiscation will actually happen, but if it does it will not end successfully. This would create the next civil war, and there are far more of us than them. Yes, they are better equipped, but most of them wont be able to stomach our constitution getting trampled and killing civilians. I believe they would desert in mass numbers.
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There most certainly is national registration for every firearm bought through a dealer for the last 20 years. It's called the dealers bound book. And that 20 year limit only applies if the dealer is smart enough to actually destroy it after the 20 years.
Again, you think they have the manpower to visit evry single FFL in the nation and get copies of the 4473s and bound books?

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There have been numerous stories about liberal mayors trying to get the NICS records for years. We might think those records are being destroyed, but how many other laws are our governments (federal, state, and local) already violating? Do you really think Barack Obama, Chuck Schumer and their ilk feel restrained by law? Even if they do, digitizing 4473's are a matter of running the form through a fast scanner, and compiling the data by socialism security numbers.
Again, showing up to the FFLs to havest the 4473s would require massive manpower. Plus all the time and manpower to go through them. It's not that feasible to scan them, either. The paper used for the forms is crappy, and starts to degrade. Ive seen 18 month old 4473s that were falling apart and completely unreadable due to faded ink and rotting paper.

As for NICS, FL does it all at a state level. Even then, they get your info, and type of firearm. No make, model, serial number, etc. They know if it is a pistol, long arm, or receiver. Same goes for states that use federal NICS. Even if they did ignore federal law (which mandates destruction of the records within 72 hours, as I remember) and keep records, that's still a thin amount of info to go on.
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Not to mention we have 10mm handguns so no problem with armored forces.


10mm..... will not go through armor


im sure you were being sarcastic tho
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