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11-09-2012, 12:45
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CLM Number 122
Why so serious?
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Man with gun in Walmart arrested for refusing to show permit
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11-09-2012, 12:54
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The one natural resource we seem to have an endless supply of is stupid people. 
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11-09-2012, 12:59
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Originally Posted by badge315
The one natural resource we seem to have an endless supply of is stupid people. |
If there were only some way to harness that resource at the national level.....just think of what we could do!
Oh, that's right. 
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11-09-2012, 13:18
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Did the LEO prove he was in fact a LEO or just walmart security?
Still, once again, we have yet another activist standing his ground asking for trouble, and he got trouble.
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11-09-2012, 13:20
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CLM Number 122
Why so serious?
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Originally Posted by JW1178
Did the LEO prove he was in fact a LEO or just walmart security?
Still, once again, we have yet another activist standing his ground asking for trouble, and he got trouble.
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I think putting him in jail might have proven it.
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Didn't the whole sheepdog thing actually start right here on Glock Talk? A bunch of wannabees bought a bunch of T-shirts and took an oath to defend those who won't defend themselves?
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11-09-2012, 13:26
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Originally Posted by JW1178
Did the LEO prove he was in fact a LEO or just walmart security?
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I am guesing that somewhere between the walk outside away from Walmart, the ride however far it was, and then the walk into the Polk County Jail Mr. Alivonta had a clue or should have had a clue that he had successfully advanced from Walmart security to the local constabulary.
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11-09-2012, 13:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JW1178
Did the LEO prove he was in fact a LEO or just walmart security?
Still, once again, we have yet another activist standing his ground asking for trouble, and he got trouble.
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"Alivonta had a permit to purchase firearms and one to carry a gun but repeatedly refused to show them to Butler, who was working security in uniform at the store."
I'd take it to mean he WAS wearing his LEO uniform and as such, it should have been fairly obvious to most individuals that he was in fact a LEO.
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11-09-2012, 13:27
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you savvy?
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Originally Posted by Sam Spade
If there were only some way to harness that resource at the national level.....just think of what we could do!
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the democrats have successfully harnessed the power of the stupid. does that count?
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11-09-2012, 13:33
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iWhat?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam Spade
If there were only some way to harness that resource at the national level.....just think of what we could do!
Oh, that's right. |
Well done
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11-09-2012, 13:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tongo
"Alivonta had a permit to purchase firearms and one to carry a gun but repeatedly refused to show them to Butler, who was working security in uniform at the store."
I'd take it to mean he WAS wearing his LEO uniform and as such, it should have been fairly obvious to most individuals that he was in fact a LEO.
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It doesn't specify which uniform he was wearing. Was he wearing a Walmart Security Guard uniform, or a Police Officer uniform? My guess would be a Walmart Security Guard Uniform, because if I saw a guy wearing that uniform, and he didn't announce himself as an off duty cop, I'd tell him to buzz off when he asked to see my permit. But if the cop was wearing his police uniform, then the guy shouldn't be allowed to carry his gun for being so stupid. If a cop in uniform asked to see my permit, I'd show it to him, required by law or not, because I'd consider it polite, presuming I was required to have a permit to open carry.
However, this is exactly the kind of reason why I prefer concealed carry. Because when done properly, the cop would have had 0 idea the guy was armed, and he wouldn't be in his current predicament.
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11-09-2012, 13:39
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By the way, dude was a Class A idiot.
I'm sure some of the more radical gun forums are already talking about how the police violated his rights and have started a legal defense fund.
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11-09-2012, 13:39
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You need a permit to purchase firearms in Iowa??
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11-09-2012, 13:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TK-421
It doesn't specify which uniform he was wearing. Was he wearing a Walmart Security Guard uniform, or a Police Officer uniform? My guess would be a Walmart Security Guard Uniform.
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My guess would be his duty uniform. Around here off-duty cops working private security always wear their duty uniforms.
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11-09-2012, 13:47
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Originally Posted by cowboy1964
My guess would be his duty uniform. Around here off-duty cops working private security always wear their duty uniforms.
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It's unheard of here for a sworn officer to put on a square badge to work security. There is absolutely zero upside for either the cop or the extra-duty employer. Let me emphasize that: Absolutely zero. There are a series of downsides for the cop, the employer and the department.
It's just not done.
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11-09-2012, 13:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TK-421
It doesn't specify which uniform he was wearing. Was he wearing a Walmart Security Guard uniform, or a Police Officer uniform? My guess would be a Walmart Security Guard Uniform, because if I saw a guy wearing that uniform, and he didn't announce himself as an off duty cop, I'd tell him to buzz off when he asked to see my permit. But if the cop was wearing his police uniform, then the guy shouldn't be allowed to carry his gun for being so stupid. If a cop in uniform asked to see my permit, I'd show it to him, required by law or not, because I'd consider it polite, presuming I was required to have a permit to open carry.
However, this is exactly the kind of reason why I prefer concealed carry. Because when done properly, the cop would have had 0 idea the guy was armed, and he wouldn't be in his current predicament.
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As we don't have security guards at our WalMart, I didn't realize the have their own...though I should have thought of that.
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11-09-2012, 14:08
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I didn't know Walmart issued security uniforms. I've never seen one here.
I searched google images and didn't see any. 
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11-09-2012, 14:09
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This is in Iowa, who just went for Obama. Figures.
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11-09-2012, 14:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tongo
As we don't have security guards at our WalMart, I didn't realize the have their own...though I should have thought of that.
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Originally Posted by JohnBT
I didn't know Walmart issued security uniforms. I've never seen one here.
I searched google images and didn't see any.
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Generally, from what I've seen, Walmart doesn't have "Walmart" branded security, they'll contract that out. Securitas is what I see a lot. I've seen a few security guards wandering around my walmart, but it's not an everyday occurrence.
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11-09-2012, 14:25
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Originally Posted by cowboy1964
You need a permit to purchase firearms in Iowa??
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To purchase handguns only or you need a permit to carry. Long guns need no special permits.
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11-09-2012, 14:28
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This is in Iowa, who just went for Obama. Figures.
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God knows that no other state has open carry idiots looking for attention.
We also let gays from Alabama come up here and get married. Tell your friends.
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11-09-2012, 14:39
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Originally Posted by JJohnson
To purchase handguns only or you need a permit to carry. Long guns need no special permits.
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How...progressive.
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11-09-2012, 14:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam Spade
It's unheard of here for a sworn officer to put on a square badge to work security. There is absolutely zero upside for either the cop or the extra-duty employer. Let me emphasize that: Absolutely zero. There are a series of downsides for the cop, the employer and the department.
It's just not done.
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Agreed. I would hope any officer would be wearing their department uniform. I place orders of magnitude more trust in police officers than some strange "store security" guys.
I don't know the law where this guy was, but I don't see a problem with showing ID when asked and given a valid reason. Unfortunately the sheeple fear armed citizens, but the officer was simply doing his job here.
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11-09-2012, 14:46
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According to the article he was outside carrying which is rather dumb to start with but does not require a CC permit. I'm suspect of the article since it says he had a permit to carry as well as a permit to purchase a handgun. It seems rather dumb to go to the sheriff's office pay and wait to get a permit to purchase a handgun if you already have a CC permit. If you do not have a CC in Iowa you have to apply for a permit to purchase a handgun which is good for a year. I suspect the author may be a bit behind on what the law is.
The first comment is rather interesting.
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11-09-2012, 14:47
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Call me Jeff
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Originally Posted by Chuck TX
How...progressive.
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Yep. It's also freezing cold in the winter and broiling hot in the summer.
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11-09-2012, 14:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck TX
How...progressive.
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At least they get to open carry. 
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