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Old 09-07-2010, 08:40   #461
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What X-ray said. Had a similar case here in AZ a few years ago. AZ DPS officer shot and killed a suspect who ended up facing away from the trooper in the process. Good shoot and cleared. I'll try to look up the case.

The other issue is, one can be maneuvering out of the line of fire and end up with the suspects back facing you. If the BG is still actively engaging you even if your facing his rear, well then good shoot.
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Old 03-06-2011, 07:10   #462
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d r t

dead right there!
South Africa vets using identical cartridges in a culling operation on cape buffalo were instructed to shoot for broadside and hit heart/lung area.
some buffalo went down instantly - others ran.
autopsies revealed that the drt had massive cranial explosion.
theory was when shot at the instant of heart pumping, the large increase in blood pressure impacted the brain cavity and caused massive hemorrhaging- the blood acted hydraulically(non compressible) to increase blood pressure.
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Old 04-01-2011, 17:43   #463
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WOW I posted in this thread

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Old 04-10-2011, 18:09   #464
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I look at the whole situation of stopping power as anything can happen,and shoot until there is no more threat.If we get invaded or something else on that level I am only relying on my handgun to get me back home to a long rifle.
this guy would swear by a 10mm!!!
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Old 06-11-2011, 15:17   #465
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this guy would swear by a 10mm!!!
Hey it's my favorite stalker

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Old 07-06-2011, 20:05   #466
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Old 07-08-2011, 15:57   #467
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Skulls are pretty good at stopping and/or deflecting bullets...
Thanks. For dangerous game that explains why the lung shot is preferred.

It doesn't take much angle to make a bullet ricochet harmlessly off.
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Old 09-15-2011, 20:02   #469
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Old 03-29-2012, 20:35   #470
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The FBI website has changed, the original article can be found here: [url]http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/law-enforcement-bulletin/2004-pdfs/oct04leb.pdf[/url]
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Old 04-11-2012, 13:52   #471
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Old 07-19-2012, 10:12   #472
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Sounds to me like I should carry a rifle, a handgun, and a good, sharp, hook bladed knife.

And my pockets are already so full . . .
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Old 09-26-2012, 01:02   #473
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Who said anything about shooting through the skull? Meaning the frontal, parietal, temporal or occipital bones. I said an ocular-cranial shot through the nose, which will penetrate cartilage and the weakest bone in the head the nasal bone. Either way I wouldn't want to get hit in the head with a round. Penetration or not it's still going to ruin someone's day.
There was a shooting about a month or two ago in my area were the gentleman was shot in the face. From what i understand and heard the bullet hit the guy in the sinuses and caused severe damage, but he ran away from the scene and survived. So even a head/face shot is not a for sure fight stopper. Yes this man had a bad day, but if he was armed he could have returned fire.
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Old 09-28-2012, 10:19   #474
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There was a shooting about a month or two ago in my area were the gentleman was shot in the face. From what i understand and heard the bullet hit the guy in the sinuses and caused severe damage, but he ran away from the scene and survived. So even a head/face shot is not a for sure fight stopper. Yes this man had a bad day, but if he was armed he could have returned fire.
I bet that he avoided sneezing for a while
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Old 11-05-2012, 20:56   #475
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There was a shooting about a month or two ago in my area were the gentleman was shot in the face. From what i understand and heard the bullet hit the guy in the sinuses and caused severe damage, but he ran away from the scene and survived. So even a head/face shot is not a for sure fight stopper. Yes this man had a bad day, but if he was armed he could have returned fire.
It is if it makes it to the brain or brain stem. Sure, it can happen where people are hit in the head but if the round doesn't penetrate to vital areas anything can happen. What caliber was used? What angle was the shot taken from, from the side of the face into the cavity or directly anterior to posterior? Did it stop the threat? All rhetorical questions not meant to be pugnacious in anyway.

The only thing that will stop a fight instantly is a CNS hit. For that a shooter must hit the brain, brain stem, or spine. If the bullet doesn't pass through the in-between mediums to hit those anatomical structures then it's anyones call what will happen. The human will to survive can't be quantified. In the early 80's there was an officer that took a shotgun slug to the face and survived. He's seen in many police training videos.

Not saying it can't happen, but if someone is shot with a high velocity rifle round to the critical areas. the chances are less than good that they will survive or at a minimum continue to fight.
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Old 11-06-2012, 21:25   #476
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Your better off shooting someone in the pelvis than the head to stop them
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Old 11-06-2012, 22:03   #477
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Your better off shooting someone in the pelvis than the head to stop them
Depends. Are they holding a gun and can shoot back? Just because they drop doesn't mean they stop being a threat. Is your shot placement going to be good enough anyway? Etc.

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Old 11-06-2012, 23:58   #478
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Right tool for the job.

Not for the squeamish, but recently ran across this video from an anesthesiologist that pretty much defines why Rifles>Pistols.

Sadly, the uploader chose an inaccurate title.

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Old 11-07-2012, 16:49   #479
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Not for the squeamish, but recently ran across this video from an anesthesiologist that pretty much defines why Rifles>Pistols.

Sadly, the uploader chose an inaccurate title.

Rifle>Pistol
Very informative video. Did you notice that he referred to a .22 bullet as 22 millimeter. Dumb mistake.
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Old 07-06-2013, 16:22   #480
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no, you AINT better off shooting at the pelvis than at the head. That's been debunked many times, so quit spreading bs, ok?
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