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11-04-2012, 12:17
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Thoughts on a concealed carry weapon
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11-04-2012, 12:39
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Good choice! I carry a G17!
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11-04-2012, 13:34
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He advocates the use of the mind more than selecting a particular gun IMO - kudos to him.
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11-04-2012, 14:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lior
He advocates the use of the mind more than selecting a particular gun IMO - kudos to him.
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That's right. We should use our heads before, during, and after a defensive shooting.
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11-04-2012, 14:19
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Great video....nice choice.....
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11-04-2012, 16:49
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11-04-2012, 18:16
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hmmmm... lots to think about here: high chance of facing two assailants, statistical probability of missed shots... both speak in favor of high capacity 9mm but whre are the figures on how many shots are actually fired in a civilian (rather than law enforcement officer) self-defense situation? I recall reading that a high percentage of assailants, seeing their intended victim's gun, high-tail it before any shots are fired. I'm still no convinced that 9mm is the way to go.
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11-04-2012, 18:48
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Nice video. I fully respect his opinions. I usually opt for less rounds, with a G26, but for me, concealability is critical. I do have a G19 and G30 as well.
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11-04-2012, 19:10
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Too bad he doesn't have any actual stats on how often more than 10 rounds are needed. I'd be willing to guess it's < 1%. Yet his most important factor appears to be capacity.
I'm fine with 9 but come on, let's not get silly. Capacity is NOT the main reason to go with a 9, IMO. It's a bonus, not a reason.
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11-04-2012, 19:39
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I am glad I have 17 9mm rounds in my G17
and no, I don't expect to need all 17 of them, But, we have all heard the horror stories about the drug-crazed felons who soak up the bullets, large or small.
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11-04-2012, 20:30
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Here are my thoughts on the subject:
There is no substitute for absolute gun/ammo reliability; so carry a weapon loaded with quality JHP self-defense ammo that always fires when you pull the trigger.
Most civilian self-defense shootings are at close range with 3-5 shots expended. Capacity is a great thing especially considering multiple assailants, but if after 8-10 rounds trying to stop the threat one or more of the determined perps will probably have managed to successfully target the lone defender. Reloading at this point seems to be a pipe dream for the typical untutored civilian like me.
When I visit the shooting range the first thing I do is shoot my carry ammo rapid fire in 2-shot, 3-shot, and 5-shot burst from the cold pistol to satisfy the gun/ammo reliability. This doesn't guarantee things will always go as designed (there are never any guarantees) but it does provide a real world test protocol and provides a great amount of reassurance that if I do my part the chosen apparatus will do it's part.
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11-05-2012, 08:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SCmasterblaster
and no, I don't expect to need all 17 of them, But, we have all heard the horror stories about the drug-crazed felons who soak up the bullets, large or small.
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Tiny, TINY, percentage. And who is to say that a larger bullet would not help? It certainly might as the total wound volume would be drastically increased with so many hits.
Again, capacity is a bonus. No one ever complains about having too many bullets. But I don't pick 9's because it carries 1 or 2 more rounds than the .40.
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11-05-2012, 12:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by unit1069
Most civilian self-defense shootings are at close range with 3-5 shots expended...
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Actually, in the vast majority of civilian self-defense shootings, the number of shots fired is 1.
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11-05-2012, 13:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gadgetnut259
Actually, in the vast majority of civilian self-defense shootings, the number of shots fired is 1.
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Really? Just one shot? I wouldn't rely on a single shot unless it was to the forehead.
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11-05-2012, 13:17
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one, run and done?
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11-05-2012, 13:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SCmasterblaster
Really? Just one shot? I wouldn't rely on a single shot unless it was to the forehead.
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Yeah, I did some research on this about a year ago for a project. Of three fairly extensive studies, a single shot was fired way more than any other number. Kinda surprised me too.
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11-05-2012, 16:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gadgetnut259
Yeah, I did some research on this about a year ago for a project. Of three fairly extensive studies, a single shot was fired way more than any other number. Kinda surprised me too.
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Are LEOs taught to fire only once?
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11-05-2012, 18:09
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Than you very much for your thooughts !!
Have you ever trained in Force on Force? ... Also, I am not aware of a case more bullets wouldn't be a plus..... A gun fight is a worse case scenario to begin with.
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11-05-2012, 19:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SCmasterblaster
Are LEOs taught to fire only once?
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I have no idea. My research was on civilians who discharged their weapon in self defense or in the defense of someone else.
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11-05-2012, 19:13
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I grabbed the most versatile handgun there is.
The G20.
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11-05-2012, 20:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SCmasterblaster
Are LEOs taught to fire only once?
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Shoot to stop the threat.
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11-06-2012, 08:49
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Let me shoot at you with an airsoft gun and lets see what kind of sight poicture you get.....Like everybody you will run and shoot back at me as fast as you can , as much as you can--I promise!
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11-07-2012, 10:14
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Shoot to stop the threat.
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Well I am changing over to .40 ASAP!
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11-09-2012, 18:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cowboy1964
Too bad he doesn't have any actual stats on how often more than 10 rounds are needed. I'd be willing to guess it's < 1%. Yet his most important factor appears to be capacity.
I'm fine with 9 but come on, let's not get silly. Capacity is NOT the main reason to go with a 9, IMO. It's a bonus, not a reason.
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Main reason is the knockdown power
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11-13-2012, 19:57
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Why does this myth of knockdown power live on? No handgun bullet is going to physically knock someone down. The laws of physics requires that the shooter be also knocked down from the recoil. Handguns do not shoot bowling balls.
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