[JR]

Sorry Blue, I am confused by your statement #475? It has been the contention of the haters 5 wanting their reloads to run in all their guns. What does accuracy have to do with it now?

There are only 2 reasons to reload. (1) save money. (2) improve accuracy.

Number one is not necessarily true if you factor in the cost of the equipment however the more you shoot the cheaper it gets therefore saving money. No argument here.

Number two accuracy: The only reason reloaders have an edge over factory rounds in this department is because the reloaded ammo can be built to the dimensions of a particular gun ie: bullet weight & profile, velocity related to powder burn rate, OAL of cartridge. Build the round to fit perfectly thereby producing the best accuracy.

When a reload is intended for use in several different guns you take away the number 2 reason (accuracy) completely. You automatically accept the fact that your load performance will vary in each gun. With this in mind.... who cares how the GT Hole performs? I can tell you right away, it will be better than some, even with others and sucking hind tit with a few. No different than any other load (factory or reload) in any other batch of guns.

[Colorado4Wheel]

There are a lot more then two reasons to reload.

Manufactures don't make the load you want.
You want a reduced power load
You want a extra power load
Your in control of the QC. Not some factory spitting out millions of rounds of ammo.
You enjoy it.

Just to name a few more.

[JR]

Sorry Colorado. I didn't FULLY spell out the #2 accuracy statement.
(2) improve accuracy, performance, yada, yada, yada. Improve anything & everything except your (my) looks right?
I seriously took it for granted the statement would be understood. There is no real discussion past #1 & #2. They are all encompassing

[Colorado4Wheel]

Your just not a reloader at heart. So it's just not part of you. even if you have done it you really don't understand us. Of course you will figure out a way to say your right and I am wrong. It's what you do.

[Bluescot]

I stated that I thought that JR had overcome the momentum of his personality in a previous post !!!!!!!!!!!!

Perhaps I spoke too soon.

[ilgunguygt]

Originally Posted by Bluescot

I stated that I thought that JR had overcome the momentum of his personality in a previous post !!!!!!!!!!!!

Perhaps I spoke too soon.

It would sure seem so.

[PrecisionRifleman]

Originally Posted by Colorado4Wheel

I think we are mixing things up. Two basic issues.

1) Glocks as a very generalized rule don't like SWC. MOST people shooting SWC are shooting lead. But not all. That has nothing to do with the barrel. It's a Glock design issue. It's simply not designed for SWC's

2) LW has "chambering issues" with many people. The rounds just don't chamber because of a tighter chamber and/or shorter throat. THIS is the issue most people struggle with Lone Wolf about.

More of a handloader issue in my experience. For smooth reliable feeding I just had to use a good taper crimp. I had 0 problems with factory ammo, and have had 0 problems since I adjusted for a good taper crimp on my handloads.

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[Colorado4Wheel]

You should not have to do anything beyond removing the flare for a round to pass the chamber check. Anything more deforms the bullet reducing accuracy.

[WiskyT]

Originally Posted by PrecisionRifleman

More of a handloader issue in my experience. For smooth reliable feeding I just had to use a good taper crimp. I had 0 problems with factory ammo, and have had 0 problems since I adjusted for a good taper crimp on my handloads.

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That's true of any auto round, they must have a taper crimp. Everybody already knows this. You don't have some kind of monopoly on the use of the taper crimp, it's been common knowledge since JMB had a workshop. What you are implying is that you used MORE taper crimp.

The LWD barrels have short leads. It's a fact. People buy them thinking they are some how better, when all they are is a Korean made tube with a short lead. Loading your orunds short and applying too much crimp just to get them to function is not some type of an advancement in firearms developemnt.

JR acknowledges this by offering to lengthen the leade. He wants $30.00 to do it, but if enough people point out the weakness of all this, he offers to do it for free if you can wait months without the barrel that you paid for.

Or, you could just use the barrle that came in your gun in the first place. Some people have to "customize" their stuff. It makes then feel cool. So they get a LWD barrel and shoot 7" groups at the 10 yard line because they are suck shots anyway.

I saw it when I used to ride. Guys went out and bought thousands of dollars of chrome and billet aluminum crap for their bikes. WTF would you change a break lever on a motorcyle? Anyway, the guys that did it had constant problems and they were the type that wouldn't put their feet on the pegs until they were going 30mph.

My Glocks shoot 5" or so at 25 yards with cast bullets and the factory barrels with me holding them. People who buy LWD barels buy them to shoot 10" groups at the 10 yard line. They'd be just as well off keeping their factory barrel and learning how to shoot.

[Idaho Spud]

The owner/rep of this company claimed he had tens of thousands of satisfied customers. Wonder how that can be? There's a question for the ages! (if it's true)

[PrecisionRifleman]

Originally Posted by WiskyT

That's true of any auto round, they must have a taper crimp. Everybody already knows this. You don't have some kind of monopoly on the use of the taper crimp, it's been common knowledge since JMB had a workshop. What you are implying is that you used MORE taper crimp.

The LWD barrels have short leads. It's a fact. People buy them thinking they are some how better, when all they are is a Korean made tube with a short lead. Loading your orunds short and applying too much crimp just to get them to function is not some type of an advancement in firearms developemnt.

JR acknowledges this by offering to lengthen the leade. He wants $30.00 to do it, but if enough people point out the weakness of all this, he offers to do it for free if you can wait months without the barrel that you paid for.

Or, you could just use the barrle that came in your gun in the first place. Some people have to "customize" their stuff. It makes then feel cool. So they get a LWD barrel and shoot 7" groups at the 10 yard line because they are suck shots anyway.

I saw it when I used to ride. Guys went out and bought thousands of dollars of chrome and billet aluminum crap for their bikes. WTF would you change a break lever on a motorcyle? Anyway, the guys that did it had constant problems and they were the type that wouldn't put their feet on the pegs until they were going 30mph.

My Glocks shoot 5" or so at 25 yards with cast bullets and the factory barrels with me holding them. People who buy LWD barels buy them to shoot 10" groups at the 10 yard line. They'd be just as well off keeping their factory barrel and learning how to shoot.

Personally I bought a LWD barrel for the longer barrel and higher velocity for hunting. I have 0 complaints from my stock barrel, but I like the longer barely for the extra oomph for hunting hogs with my 10mm. Plus they have a little more chamber support, which I prefer when pushing the loads pretty hot. I'm not sure what all the grip is about? I mean seriously the LWD are cheap and do just fine. Atleast for what I use mine for.

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[ilgunguygt]

Originally Posted by PrecisionRifleman

Personally I bought a LWD barrel for the longer barrel and higher velocity for hunting. I have 0 complaints from my stock barrel, but I like the longer barely for the extra oomph for hunting hogs with my 10mm. Plus they have a little more chamber support, which I prefer when pushing the loads pretty hot. I'm not sure what all the grip is about? I mean seriously the LWD are cheap and do just fine. Atleast for what I use mine for.

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Thats probably your answer

[Boxerglocker]

Originally Posted by PrecisionRifleman

Personally I bought a LWD barrel for the longer barrel and higher velocity for hunting. I have 0 complaints from my stock barrel, but I like the longer barely for the extra oomph for hunting hogs with my 10mm. Plus they have a little more chamber support, which I prefer when pushing the loads pretty hot. I'm not sure what all the grip is about? I mean seriously the LWD are cheap and do just fine. At least for what I use mine for.

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Originally Posted by ilgunguygt

Thats probably your answer

I just bought a new 4th generation G17 and another LWD Barrel to go with it. I'm gonna start working on some FMJ 147g subsonic loads here in the coming winter months
This one won't be having much lead run through it though. It's threaded and I just handed the check over for a tax stamp on a 9mm suppressor that I purchased.

[JR]

Precision & Boxer: I appreciate your unbiased comments regarding our barrels and their performance. I am also sure may other level headed readers feel the same.

Unfortunately this will ultimately draw the ire of the "Haters 5". There seems to be no middle road for these?

[PrecisionRifleman]

Originally Posted by JR

Precision & Boxer: I appreciate your unbiased comments regarding our barrels and their performance. I am also sure may other level headed readers feel the same.

Unfortunately this will ultimately draw the ire of the "Haters 5". There seems to be no middle road for these?

Mines pretty accurate as well. Seems to be a lot of moaning going on that in my experience is has not been validated. A lot of people on this forum seem to complain for the sake of complaining.

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[WiskyT]

Originally Posted by PrecisionRifleman

Mines pretty accurate as well. Seems to be a lot of moaning going on that in my experience is has not been validated. A lot of people on this forum seem to complain for the sake of complaining.

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Straw man. They complained because the product didn't work as advertised.

[ilgunguygt]

Originally Posted by WiskyT

Straw man. They complained because the product didn't work as advertised.

Thats Ok Whiskey, I steered two more people away from his products this week. Sent them here to read this thread. They were both of the opinion they didnt want to do business with someone with that kind of attitude.

[WiskyT]

Originally Posted by ilgunguygt

Thats Ok Whiskey, I steered two more people away from his products this week. Sent them here to read this thread. They were both of the opinion they didnt want to do business with someone with that kind of attitude.

I'm waiting for good ole Scranton Joe Byden to come on here and say that no one has ever had a problem with lwd or it's products. That's how high some of the bull**** is getting in here

[Boxerglocker]

Hey guys, some need to remember that Jr and LWD is a site sponsor and regardless of your personal opinions. Some of the types of comments being slung around this thread are going to end up pushing the issue toward breaking these type of ties.

[PrecisionRifleman]

Originally Posted by ilgunguygt

Thats probably your answer

Yup, and that would be putting bullets down the barrel.

[ilgunguygt]

Originally Posted by Boxerglocker

Hey guys, some need to remember that Jr and LWD is a site sponsor and regardless of your personal opinions. Some of the types of comments being slung around this thread are going to end up pushing the issue toward breaking these type of ties.

Site sponsors arent above criticism.

[WiskyT]

Originally Posted by ilgunguygt

Site sponsors arent above criticism.

Off to the re-education camp with you!!

[Colorado4Wheel]

He will probably buy the forum, ban most of us and give away a bunch of barrels so that everyone forgets we existed.

[shotgunred]

Originally Posted by Idaho Spud

The owner/rep of this company claimed he had tens of thousands of satisfied customers. Wonder how that can be? There's a question for the ages! (if it's true)

Why?

I know that I spend a couple hundred bucks a year at lone wolf. They are the best source for replacement and after market parts for glocks. If you want springs, extended mag releases, connectors ect. you call lone wolf and in a few days they are on your door.

Regardless of your opinion of his barrels if you need Glock parts you can find them at Lone Wolf Distributors.

[Boxerglocker]

Originally Posted by ilgunguygt

Site sponsors arent above criticism.

There is a difference between criticism and personal attacks.

Originally Posted by Idaho Spud

The owner/rep of this company claimed he had tens of thousands of satisfied customers. Wonder how that can be? There's a question for the ages! (if it's true)

If your from Idaho it shouldn't be much effort to check public business records. LWD has been around and a sponsor of this site a long time. I bought my first LWD barrels a year before signing up here on GT in 2003, both G35 and G27 40-9 conversions.

Originally Posted by shotgunred

Why?

I know that I spend a couple hundred bucks a year at lone wolf. They are the best source for replacement and after market parts for glocks. If you want springs, extended mag releases, connectors ect. you call lone wolf and in a few days they are on your door.

Regardless of your opinion of his barrels if you need Glock parts you can find them at Lone Wolf Distributors.

I agree with you Mike, for a Glock you can always pretty much get what you want from LWD at any time. LWD company sponsors lots of events in the shooting sports.