[JuneyBooney]

Originally Posted by certifiedfunds

To put it in perspective, what they want adds $500 to my property tax.

Screw em. They can collect unemployment. Call it retribution for destroying something that wasn't theirs to destroy. I can't wait to hear the whining.

The taxes here are high. But when I call 911 the cops or fire department comes and the fire department is much better than the leo. But will your community actually volunteer in a department nowadays? Most areas have seen dramatic drop offs in community volunteerism.

[Reyn]

Originally Posted by certifiedfunds

We had an excellent rating as a volunteer department. It hasn't improved since becoming paid and unionized. The only thing that has changed are the expenses.

Yet interestingly enough the new chief is issuing all sorts of veiled threats about how the rating will drop and services will be less. We were fine before these THUGS came along. Where is their value?

Why did the rating not improve? Here the rating is much better for those with full time manned stations. Last year my insurance wanted to triple my rates due to my location and rating.

I'm actually closer to a VFD that isn't in my coverage area. I went and had their chief sign a letter saying they would respond to a fire at my house so my insurance would be cut drastically.

[NEOH212]

Union (yoon-yen) n, .

1. A parasite that kills it's host.

[NEOH212]

Cost of living going up?

Your job been outsourced?

Your company close it's doors?




Thank a Union worker!

[certifiedfunds]

Originally Posted by devildog2067

I'm not going to argue that the Department of Defense is run correctly, or that it's efficient, or that it makes the best use of my taxpayer dollar. They could spend less money and still defend our country.

But if you honestly think the Department of Defense delivers zero value to the taxpayer you are absolutely insane. It's not an accident that America hasn't been invaded in 200 years--it's a strong military and good natural borders.

Its Brucev

I think YOU said it best when you said (paraphrased): When you find yourself agreeing with Brucev, you know you're wrong.

[NEOH212]

Unions = Greedy Socialists.

[hotpig]

Who do people call when there is a emergency? In most places a Union worker.

[davew83]

Originally Posted by devildog2067

It's not an accident that America hasn't been invaded in 200 years--it's a strong military and good natural borders.

Just want to point out that the Aleutian Islands as part of Alaska was invaded by Japanese in WW2.

[podwich]

Originally Posted by Brucev

I've read the thread as it stood when the response was posted. The complaint, etc. boiled down to the same kabuki posturing protesting outrage at whatever it is that chaffs you.

As to additional tax and value received, it's irrelevant. Many Americans pay taxes for a dod that gives them exactly zero value. Many Americans pay for a fed. govt. that bails out wingtippers on wall street, from which they receive not value at all. Why should anyone care when you puff and blow over your bruised wallet? It's irrelevant. It just doesn't matter.

For local taxes like CF is talking about, why shouldn't he get personally involved like he is? Why are you getting into it? It affects him, not you.

For federal taxes, everyone should pay their fair (equal) share. Then you can reasonably tell people to shut up about paying taxes. Telling people to shut and and pay when they pay an extremely higher amount of money than you do is stupid (and not cool, of course).

Cool?

[devildog2067]

Originally Posted by davew83

Just want to point out that the Aleutian Islands as part of Alaska was invaded by Japanese in WW2.

You go around telling people a tomato is techinically a fruit, too, I bet.

[NEOH212]

Unions.........






Doing for the USA what they did for Detroit.

[NEOH212]

Originally Posted by hotpig

Who do people call when there is a emergency? In most places a Union worker.

Is that why it takes them so long to get there then?








Damn those Union breaks........

[NEOH212]

And yet more typical Union BS for you! You just got to love it!

http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/19420...intcmp=related



Sad.

[davew83]

Originally Posted by devildog2067

You go around telling people a tomato is techinically a fruit, too, I bet.

Of course.

[Fiery Red XIII]

Originally Posted by medic2258

Let me guess, you were one of the volunteers who didn't get hired.

Let me guess...you're a "medic" who needs the union, therefore you can't cut it on your own.

Red

[Patchman]

Originally Posted by devildog2067

You go around telling people a tomato is techinically a fruit, too, I bet.

In the War of 1812 (actually in 1813, IIRC), Washington DC was looted and arsoned by the Redcoats.

[Brucev]

Originally Posted by devildog2067

I'm not going to argue that the Department of Defense is run correctly, or that it's efficient, or that it makes the best use of my taxpayer dollar. They could spend less money and still defend our country.

But if you honestly think the Department of Defense delivers zero value to the taxpayer you are absolutely insane. It's not an accident that America hasn't been invaded in 200 years--it's a strong military and good natural borders.

Insane. No. The U.S. has been happily safe from a chaotic world due to the Pacific and Atlantic oceans which provided a happy isolation from the stupid wars of stupid people the world over. These two oceans are still in place. They remain remarkably effective.

Not invaded in 200 years? Think back to 1812.

I criticize the dod for the same reason others criticize FEMA, etc. Yesterday afternoon I went in a Wendy's for a Frosty. Outside I saw a serviceman with a duffle bag walking toward the base. When I had paid, I went out to the car and drove down the street looking for that man. I could not find him among the buildings, etc. If I could have, I would have offered him a ride out to the base. I have no beef with servicemen. But I will not quietly go along with the outrageous waste driven by the dod and its contractors who together suck off tax money far beyond what is necessary or needed for national defense.

[Brucev]

Originally Posted by DanaT

Why are you so frightened of business owners joining together to seek their own common interest when setting prices and wages for workers?

I trust business owners to the same degree that they trust unionized employees. A good employer is not afraid of good employees working together for their own best interest. A bad employer and its investors deserve nothing but trouble... in spades.

[DanaT]

Originally Posted by Brucev

I trust business owners to the same degree that they trust unionized employees. A good employer is not afraid of good employees working together for their own best interest. A bad employer and its investors deserve nothing but trouble... in spades.

So why do you believe that one side should be allowed to engage in collusion and the other side should not be allowed?

There are two sides that you say dont trust each other. So both sides have the exact same rules should apply to the same side.

[Brucev]

[QUOTE=podwich;19585196]For local taxes like CF is talking about, why shouldn't he get personally involved like he is? Why are you getting into it? It affects him, not you. He comes here to a public forum and blows about how upsetting it is to him that he can't control everything every where in his community exactly and precisely as he desires. The public responds. What's not to like?

For federal taxes, everyone should pay their fair (equal) share. Then you can reasonably tell people to shut up about paying taxes. Telling people to shut and and pay when they pay an extremely higher amount of money than you do is stupid (and not cool, of course).

Cool?

At issue is a local tax matter. The complaints airs are typical of those who only want what they want at the local level. They have not yet learned that not only is the U.S. Army not a "Army of one," but that the local community like the state and the nation is not comprised of or purposed for the satisfaction of "the one."

Fair? Fair for the devotees of Rand and company is of course the robber baron vision of America. Happily America sees things differently. America sees things in terms of "We the people." That chaffs the post-modern robber baron aspirants. Tough. They'll get better. Just Hand eliminate their drinking the Koch koolaid.

[DanaT]

Originally Posted by Brucev

For federal taxes, everyone should pay their fair (equal) share. Then you can reasonably tell people to shut up about paying taxes. Telling people to shut and and pay when they pay an extremely higher amount of money than you do is stupid (and not cool, of course).

I agree. Everyone should pay the exact same dollar amount in taxes. You get a tax bill and send it in. Everyone pays the same, no deductions. It would make taxes easy.

[certifiedfunds]

Originally Posted by Brucev

I trust business owners to the same degree that they trust unionized employees. A good employer is not afraid of good employees working together for their own best interest. A bad employer and its investors deserve nothing but trouble... in spades.

You know absolutely NOTHING about business, running a business, making a payroll, taking the risk to start one.

[certifiedfunds]

[quote=Brucev;19586028]

Originally Posted by podwich

For local taxes like CF is talking about, why shouldn't he get personally involved like he is? Why are you getting into it? It affects him, not you. He comes here to a public forum and blows about how upsetting it is to him that he can't control everything every where in his community exactly and precisely as he desires. The public responds. What's not to like?

For federal taxes, everyone should pay their fair (equal) share. Then you can reasonably tell people to shut up about paying taxes. Telling people to shut and and pay when they pay an extremely higher amount of money than you do is stupid (and not cool, of course).

Cool?

At issue is a local tax matter. The complaints airs are typical of those who only want what they want at the local level. They have not yet learned that not only is the U.S. Army not a "Army of one," but that the local community like the state and the nation is not comprised of or purposed for the satisfaction of "the one."

Fair? Fair for the devotees of Rand and company is of course the robber baron vision of America. Happily America sees things differently. America sees things in terms of "We the people." That chaffs the post-modern robber baron aspirants. Tough. They'll get better. Just Hand eliminate their drinking the Koch koolaid.

The irony of the situation here is that you fail to realize that a very small group of people have tilted the table in their favor, at the direct expense of others. I aim to tilt it in mine for the benefit of the larger group -- and myself because myself matters the most. The public can come along or they can fight me. I suspect they will come along. No taxpayer deserves to be held hostage by a scum sucking union.

[hotpig]

How is this scum sucking Union doing this? I'm President of my local and know it is beyond their power. You are being asked by the Board of Commissioners made up of Fire District residents, not the evil union to have a tax increase. These guys are the ones in charge of the money. Not the Fire Dept, and certainly not the union.

If the Union is asking the board for the increase they can easily say no. If the trustees or commissioners think the increase is worth it to the people they can move foreword.

Unless they are already collecting less than their taxable levy it will have to go to referendum.Good luck trying to pass a tax increase in this economy. It will go over like a lead balloon.

[podwich]

Originally Posted by Brucev

Insane. No. The U.S. has been happily safe from a chaotic world due to the Pacific and Atlantic oceans which provided a happy isolation from the stupid wars of stupid people the world over. These two oceans are still in place. They remain remarkably effective.

Not invaded in 200 years? Think back to 1812.

There is some disconnect in claiming the oceans prevent invasion and then pointing out invasion despite the oceans.

Also, truly not meaning to be pedantic, but 2012-1812=200 (I guess you could argue the end date, but whatever).