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Old 10-25-2012, 19:33   #121
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A bullet that mechanically spreads? Well if it does like it does in that pic, it would be a very wide but very shallow wound.
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Old 10-25-2012, 19:40   #122
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Have you seen that Grizzly Extreme stuff? They're trying their damnedest to make it a reality.

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Judging from the skive that appears to be cut down the length of the bullet almost to its base, does it expand all the way to the end of that skive?

Sure looks like it and if it does, I gotta agree with JW1178- that ain't gonna go very deep.
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Old 10-25-2012, 19:45   #123
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Of course it wouldn't go deep, it is its very own parachute. I'm surprised the pedals stay in tact.
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Old 10-25-2012, 19:54   #124
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If it does go deep it will most likely be because it will plane out. Internal copper shuriken anyone?
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Old 10-25-2012, 20:02   #125
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Of course it wouldn't go deep, it is its very own parachute.
That's funny.

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I'm surprised the pedals stay in tact.
Yeah, I would expect that they'd get bent backwards more than that. Weird.
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Old 10-26-2012, 00:53   #126
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I might be mistaken, but i remember watching a video on youtube utilizing these bullets in a sabot shotgun slug. It failed to expand through water jugs (no denim IIRC).

I could be confusing this with another round, though.

Does anyone else know what I am refering to?
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Old 10-26-2012, 08:51   #127
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Still, it is one nasty-looking bullet.
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Old 10-26-2012, 14:46   #128
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I might be mistaken, but i remember watching a video on youtube utilizing these bullets in a sabot shotgun slug. It failed to expand through water jugs (no denim IIRC).

I could be confusing this with another round, though.

Does anyone else know what I am refering to?
This the one?

It doesn't use the rounds that we've been talking about in this thread, but these slug's behavior appears to be what you are describing.

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Old 10-26-2012, 16:15   #129
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I'd be interested in seeing one of these slugs that had been shot into a game animal. What is the FPS needed to cause these to expand?

Water and gell may have no real validity in relation to its game stopping power.

My Home protection shotguns are not long barreled so i assume they won't expand for unwelcome thugs? Does it make any difference?.
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Old 10-26-2012, 18:28   #130
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This the one?

It doesn't use the rounds that we've been talking about in this thread, but these slug's behavior appears to be what you are describing.

Ammo Test 12 Gauge - 1 oz. Copper Solid Slug - YouTube
Thats the one. I figured I was mistaken.
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Old 10-26-2012, 19:25   #131
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I have no idea what you think you are talking about, but I said .45 ACP doesn't make a big hole, rifles and shotguns make big holes.

You got pointless and said why stop there while posting an image of a naval gun.

As I said...rifles and shotguns make big holes, not handgun calibers out of handguns.
I did not say why stop there. That was someone else fella.
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Old 10-26-2012, 19:43   #132
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I did not say why stop there. That was someone else fella.
I went back, and you are correct, somebody else said that.

Which makes me wonder even more why you quoted me and said what you did. It doesn't make any sense at all
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Old 10-26-2012, 20:31   #133
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I'd be interested in seeing one of these slugs that had been shot into a game animal. What is the FPS needed to cause these to expand?




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Water and gell may have no real validity in relation to its game stopping power.
Gelatin mimics swine thigh muscle and human soft tissue. Water is also a proven tissue simulant (per the FBI, Fackler, Schwartz, MacPherson, etc.) that is known to over-state expansion. If it won't expand in water, it won't do so in animal tissue.



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My Home protection shotguns are not long barreled so i assume they won't expand for unwelcome thugs? Does it make any difference?.
After seeing those slugs fail to expand even after hitting a washing machine , I wouldn't use 'em, but it's your butt on the line and I am in no position to be telling you what you should do.
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Old 10-28-2012, 13:43   #134
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I'd be interested in seeing one of these slugs that had been shot into a game animal. What is the FPS needed to cause these to expand?

Water and gell may have no real validity in relation to its game stopping power.

My Home protection shotguns are not long barreled so i assume they won't expand for unwelcome thugs? Does it make any difference?.
The required velocity is likely pretty high to get those copper hollow points to expand.
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Old 10-28-2012, 14:26   #135
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either will do the job. first shot counts. prefer the 45 fmj over the 9 fmj though. Whichever you are more comfortable and accurate with is what you should consider sticking with. G19 and G21 will both do the job and do it well.
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Old 10-28-2012, 14:39   #136
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either will do the job. first shot counts. prefer the 45 fmj over the 9 fmj though. Whichever you are more comfortable and accurate with is what you should consider sticking with. G19 and G21 will both do the job and do it well.
I agree for sure. The .45 FMJRN is far superior to the 9mm FMJRNs.
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Old 11-03-2012, 11:14   #137
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If forced to make small holes, then I want the biggest small holes I can get. 45acp all day everyday for FMJ. Thre is a reason for double stack 9mm in the military, you will likely need more rounds.
They didn't have double stacked 1911s!
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Old 11-03-2012, 11:28   #138
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I wonder how accurate those sabotted slugs are in an unrifled barrel?
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Old 11-05-2012, 14:28   #139
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I like how the 9mm guys tout shot placement, but in the same breath also tout how they can carry more rounds. Wouldn't the first negate the need for the second?

And no, a .355" size hole is NOT the same as a .45" size hole in the heart. Yes, they will both prove fatal, but the bigger hole will yield quicker blood loss, and quicker incapacitation.

I choose .45ACP for FMJ only carry. In real life, I carry a single stack 9mm with JHP.

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Old 11-05-2012, 14:39   #140
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I like how the 9mm guys tout shot placement, but in the same breath also tout how they can carry more rounds. Wouldn't the first negate the need for the second?
Maybe. Maybe not.

Handgun rounds out of handguns are weak and ineffective. That's just the way it is.
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