[Bren]

Originally Posted by Glockdude1

I was going to compare it t0o this:

Then I realized the Tracer Gun is actually abetter looking gun that I'd rather own.

[Chuck TX]

A modern VP70 with a non-sucky trigger would be pretty sweet.

[Glockdude1]

Originally Posted by Bren

I was going to compare it too this:

Then I realized the Tracer Gun is actually abetter looking gun that I'd rather own.

Well, the real VP70 does fire 9mm, so it is a close comparison!!!

[436]

H&K's P7M13 size and style in .357 Sig.
436

[MarcDW]

Originally Posted by 436

H&K's P7M13 size and style in .357 Sig.
436

That was what I was thinking!!!
And like 436 said, not the bulky M10 slide please!

Also a sub compact slim line would be nice like the PPS in .357 SIG with hammer.

A sure seller would be a civilian semi auto MP7.

[Larry V]

Originally Posted by NEOH212

And I'm sure you won't mind the Glock quality (or the lack there of) that will come with the lower price?

They cost more because they are made better. Detractors can say what they want otherwise but it doesn't make it any less true.

Don't like the price? Then spend your money elsewhere since these gun's aren't for you.

There are those of us that will gladly shell over the extra $$ for quality.

I will gladly pay 900 dollars for an HK 45 anyday as they are worth every penny. I would never want HK to scimp on quality just so its avilable to everyone like a glock

[Clutch Cargo]

Originally Posted by NEOH212

There are those of us that will gladly shell over the extra $$ for quality.

This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I bought an HK.45CT and a LW Springfield Compact Gunsite Service Pistol this year. $2300 for 2 pistols really put a dent in the funds, but you have to jump at good opportunities when they arise.
Total this year, I've spent $5500 on guns and a suppressor. The only thing lacking in my collection is an integrally suppressed 10/22.

[deeHKman]

Originally Posted by Larry V

I will gladly pay 900 dollars for an HK 45 anyday as they are worth every penny. I would never want HK to scimp on quality just so its avilable to everyone like a glock

I agree when it come's mine a HK win's everytime!!

[Chuck TX]

A P7 you can put a case thru without welders gloves.

Originally Posted by Glockdude1

Well, the real VP70 does fire 9mm, so it is a close comparison!!!

Hey, those disc can hurt if the shot placement is just right!

[BuckyP]

Originally Posted by Chuck TX

A P7 you can put a case thru without welders gloves.

That would be cool. Maybe replace the gas system with a rotating barrel.

[SDDL-UP]

Lower bore axis.

[brisk21]

Originally Posted by Larry V

I will gladly pay 900 dollars for an HK 45 anyday as they are worth every penny. I would never want HK to scimp on quality just so its avilable to everyone like a glock

Absolutely. The HK45 is probably the best hangun out there of its kind in my opinion. Definately the best .45 handgun. I gladly paid $900 for mine. Id do it again.

[joerenew]

Originally Posted by NEOH212

Striker fired and HK don't belong in the same sentence.

Besides, striker fired guns are for people that can't shoot.

Apparently never fired a p7?

[Bren]

Originally Posted by NEOH212

Striker fired and HK don't belong in the same sentence.

Besides, striker fired guns are for people that can't shoot.

That's why people are winning in competition with H&K all over the world...I mean, if anybody actually was...that would be why...instead of winning with guns that cost half the price by do a lot better on accuracy, speed and reliability.

[brisk21]

Originally Posted by Bren

That's why people are winning in competition with H&K all over the world...I mean, if anybody actually was...that would be why...instead of winning with guns that cost half the price by do a lot better on accuracy, speed and reliability.

Although I believe that the statement you quoted to be silly, your arguement is a little off. HK has a far different business model than Glock and S&W. HK makes expensive, high quality guns and focuses on military contracts. Glock and S&W makes excellent, but lower costing striker fired designs and they want them in every holster possible. Sponsering alot of pro shooters helps them. I know HK has a shooting team also, but their emphasis is clearly not on it. They don't advertise a whole lot compared to Glock or S&W either. Plus, in pro shooting, its the indian not the arrow. There are people out there smoking the competition with Taurus for God sakes.

[stevemc]

I don't understand how some think the HK's are overpriced. When I take my P-30 down and look at the engineering, machining, tolerances, etc, I don't know how they make a dime of profit. We are so fortunate to be able to buy and own such precision pieces. Like the old saying goes, "if you buy the cheapest one available, you get the cheapest one available."

[barth]

Originally Posted by deeHKman

I agree when it come's mine a HK win's everytime!!

I paid $999 for my HK45C.
Now that I've put a few thousand rounds down range.
I'm convinced its really worth much more than I paid.

Truly one of the finest .45 ACP handguns available at any price.

HK45C Light LEM

[MarcDW]

Originally Posted by barth

I paid $999 for my HK45C.
Now that I've put a few thousand rounds down range.
I'm convinced its really worth much more than I paid...

Then go to your FFL you bought this HK45C from and give him the rest of the money!

[barth]

Originally Posted by MarcDW

Then go to your FFL you bought this HK45C from and give him the rest of the money!

Already did that;

[Patriot328]

I wish HK would get their **** together and produce a striker pistol with a grip safety, perhaps a steel framed gun, as well.

hah ok, I love my P30 and 45c LEMs..

[coleslaw]

Originally Posted by stevemc

I don't understand how some think the HK's are overpriced. When I take my P-30 down and look at the engineering, machining, tolerances, etc, I don't know how they make a dime of profit. We are so fortunate to be able to buy and own such precision pieces. Like the old saying goes, "if you buy the cheapest one available, you get the cheapest one available."

People say HK's are overpriced because a Glock can keep up with a HK for half the price of a HK. Lets get something straight. HK's quality isn't so good that it makes every other fireman a low quality firearm.

HK= Quality
Sig= Quality
Glock= Quality
1911= Quality
Springfield= Quality

Also concerning folks equating quality with higher priced guns... I'll just say this, I've seen 50k dollar Corvettes EAT 100k dollar BMW's and I've also seen 500 dollar Glocks with higher round counts then some of these 1000 dollar guns out here. I buy HK's because I like polymer DA/SA guns with a frame mounted safety, not because I beleive somehow since I coughed up 900$ my gun will be more reliable then your gun.

What would I like to see in a new HK pistol? Nothing! I don't want to see a P2000 or HK45c with the "Spidey" P30 grips because that would defeat the purpose of making them conceal carry friendly. I don't want to see them change the USP/USPc, if you don't like the USP/USPc get a P2000... Don't like that then get a P30 and if that doesn't fit you then I don't know what to tell you. From the P7 to the HK45 to the USP match and nearly ten different trigger configurations for each gun... If you can't find one that's perfect for you out of the HK toybox then eh, maybe you're a Glock guy.

[DragonRider]

a .22 upper for the P30......

[HKLovingIT]

1. Stippling from a USP Compact.
2. Slide release from a USP Compact.
3. Bobbed Hammer from a USP Compact.
4. Slide profile and milling from a P2000 or P30.
5. Rail from a P2000. (Not P30)
6. Grip shape and size from a USPc .45
7. LEM.
8. Mag release paddle from HK45C.
9. Barrel length matching P2000.
10. 9mm and .357 Sig.
11. Dimensions no larger than P2000.

Gimme.

Yeah so like a USPc and a P2000 have a baby and there you go.

[Dubble-Tapper]

Originally Posted by NEOH212

Striker fired and HK don't belong in the same sentence.

Besides, striker fired guns are for people that can't shoot.

uhhhhhh......



dont you own a P7?!? notice the lack of hammer...

if you're are going to be a over zealous fanboy at least be a knowledgeable one.

and please, besides look pretty, (which, for a combat weapon, means nothing) enlighten me on what your HK can do that Glocks cant for half the price.

I happen to like HK, but im not delusional enough to think that Glocks are crap. a talented shooter can be just as accurate with a glock, and most are just as reliable. it wont ruin my day if i drop a glock. an HK on the other hand....

[BuckyP]

Originally Posted by Dubble-Tapper

and please, besides look pretty, (which, for a combat weapon, means nothing) enlighten me on what your HK can do that Glocks cant for half the price.

I happen to like HK, but im not delusional enough to think that Glocks are crap. a talented shooter can be just as accurate with a glock, and most are just as reliable. it wont ruin my day if i drop a glock. an HK on the other hand....

Pass the DHS torque test?

I actually shoot a Glock better than an HK, but the HK is a better built gun IMO.