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Old 10-16-2012, 18:20   #126
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Who claimed that the Chinese knockoffs are "just as good as" Trijicon/Leupold/Eotech/Aimpoint/Zeiss/Schmidt&Bender?

I read that some claimed the el cheapos are "good enough" for their owners' purposes.
It's the typical Forum Fighter knee-jerk response to the words, "budget" and, "AR15".

It's become a modern syndrome.

Soon they'll be an acronym for it.

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Old 10-16-2012, 18:33   #127
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Old 10-16-2012, 18:49   #128
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We need an acronym for jackass forum fighter knee-jerk reactions.
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Old 10-16-2012, 21:22   #129
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Crush what misinformation? That every civilian AR15 has to have a thousand dollars worth of optics and accessories on it so that the civilians can fight off Red Dawn 2?
This ^ misinformation. If this is really how you think I feel you're everything you've proven yourself to be. No individual on this forum is suggesting anyone spend thousands.

$995 6920
$550 used H1 w/ Larue Mount
$50 rear sight
$40 sling
$56 4 PMags
$117 500 rounds of ammunition
$65 4hr. Basic Carbine
= Done

I'm looking for the thousands.

Don't hold a grudge because someone younger has a lot more knowledge, experience, and common sense than you. You're time has passed. Most, if not all, see through the gross exaggerations you throw out while grasping for traction.
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It's pretty much a given fact that "budget", "cost-effective", etc are often times dirty words to those that covet the pricier brands. Unfortunately the internet tends to foster this from guns to mountain bikes.

Earlier today I was reading a similar thread at "you-know-who.net" where there were a few throwing off on Spike lowers. The reasons given weren't very relevant. This attitude is myopic and what they fail to realize is it may have a direct affect on them as a couple were "industry professionals" connected with schools. Does anyone think that attitudes like this will attract future students?

In my naive way I approach it from an enthusiast's pov and don't roll my eyes whether someone is sporting a kia or an AMG-quality weapon. Who cares because we are doing something we want to or like to do and not everyone has the funds or situation to warrant spending lots of dinero.

Last, mjkeat you're a smart guy so re-read your last para to fnfal and tell me what you think may be wrong with that attitude?
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It's pretty much a given fact that "budget", "cost-effective", etc are often times dirty words to those that covet the pricier brands. Unfortunately the internet tends to foster this from guns to mountain bikes.
Have you ever been to a class where someone came w/ their airsoft equipped DPMS? I have. The instructor ends up babysitting while everyone else has to crawl because airsoft boy can't get his optic to hold zero. It has nothing to do w/ cost. Only people defending their toy quality gear are concerned w/ cost.

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Earlier today I was reading a similar thread at "you-know-who.net" where there were a few throwing off on Spike lowers. The reasons given weren't very relevant. This attitude is myopic and what they fail to realize is it may have a direct affect on them as a couple were "industry professionals" connected with schools. Does anyone think that attitudes like this will attract future students?
There is a lot of talk about Spikes. Most of it has to do w/ their biz practices and their emblem that resembles dueling *****es.

Also read above.

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Old 10-17-2012, 08:37   #132
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We need an acronym for jackass forum fighter knee-jerk reactions.


Now back on topic
doc, nice AR and optics!!
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This ^ misinformation. If this is really how you think I feel you're everything you've proven yourself to be. No individual on this forum is suggesting anyone spend thousands.

$995 6920
$550 used H1 w/ Larue Mount
$50 rear sight
$40 sling
$56 4 PMags
$117 500 rounds of ammunition
$65 4hr. Basic Carbine
= Done

I'm looking for the thousands.
H1? Substitute that with a brand new ACOG and see what the new price is? Where's the flashlight in that accessories list? What about the MagPul rails/buttstock/front grip accessories?

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Kid, I've forgotten more about shooting than you'd ever know. As far as common sense goes, we all know who has it and who doesn't. Of course, can't really hold that against you because common sense and wisdom come with age.

Don't take it too personally because when I laugh at you, I also laugh at myself as I recalled my conversations with the old timers back when I was your age. Hell, I knew it all and the old timeys didn't know nuthin' because I was better trained with more recent knowledge.

Twenty years from now, you'd have the same conversation with some youngsters who claimed that you don't know nuthin' about nuthin' and that they know more, and experience more, ad infinitum.
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Fun day at the range:

Well, got out to the range yesterday, and low and behold, another AR shooter was using a Tru-glow Tru-Bright Open Red Dot sight. I had never seen one before, so he let me fondle his rifle and check the optic out. I was rather shocked at how small and sharp the dot was, 95% as good as the center dot on my Eotech....for $99.00

Oh well, it's not tactical enough, not ready for COMABT!! , so he must have been an idiot loser.

Still, a fun day was had at the range. 100 yard shots at a torso-sized metal plate was beyond easy, while standing, kneeling, moving, whatever. It was great fun to get the aural feed-back on your hits.

So, it looks as if there is another el cheapo optic to consider. I tried to get more info from Tru-Glo's web site, but it basically doesn't function, so no luck there. Still, very nice red dot for $99.00
http://www.dickssportinggoods.com/pr...414427.4414460

In all obectivity, I think we're on the cusp of serious cost vrs. performance changes in the AR optic market. That Truglo, while not as rugged, would work as well as an Aimpoint/Eotech for a recreational/HD shooter, no problem.
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H1? Substitute that with a brand new ACOG and see what the new price is? Where's the flashlight in that accessories list? What about the MagPul rails/buttstock/front grip accessories?



Kid, I've forgotten more about shooting than you'd ever know. As far as common sense goes, we all know who has it and who doesn't. Of course, can't really hold that against you because common sense and wisdom come with age.

Don't take it too personally because when I laugh at you, I also laugh at myself as I recalled my conversations with the old timers back when I was your age. Hell, I knew it all and the old timeys didn't know nuthin' because I was better trained with more recent knowledge.

Twenty years from now, you'd have the same conversation with some youngsters who claimed that you don't know nuthin' about nuthin' and that they know more, and experience more, ad infinitum.
Dude, seriously, Ignore List.

Don't beat your head against the trolling wall.
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Have you ever been to a class where someone came w/ their airsoft equipped DPMS? I have. The instructor ends up babysitting while everyone else has to crawl because airsoft boy can't get his optic to hold zero. It has nothing to do w/ cost. Only people defending their toy quality gear are concerned w/ cost.
It sounds like you need to do more research into the organization that holds these kinds of classes.

Seriously, airsoft optics in a class? I've never seen such an animal at Gunsite training courses.

Of course, if the instructors were of high caliber, then they would have had airsoft boy gone to iron sights and teach airsoft boy on how to fight with iron sight. I know, I know, I know, it's 2012 and iron sights are soooo 19th century and all that, right?


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Dude, seriously, Ignore List.

Don't beat your head against the trolling wall.
Thanks for the suggestion, but my Ignore List is empty and I like it that way.

What fun is it to only post with a bunch of yes-men?
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Thanks for the suggestion, but my Ignore List is empty and I like it that way.

What fun is it to only post with a bunch of yes-men?
Gotcha.....

I'm watching my blood-pressure, so I'm using the Ignore List.
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I'm sure the OP is glad that you idiots hijacked this thread. At least the purse swinging provides some mindless entertainment.
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H1? Substitute that with a brand new ACOG and see what the new price is? Where's the flashlight in that accessories list? What about the MagPul rails/buttstock/front grip accessories?
Why an ACOG? The H1/T1 is more than capable of placing fast/accurate rounds on target at distances welll beyond anything a civilian will encounter.

Read: Basic Carbine

Who needs accessories?

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Kid, I've forgotten more about shooting than you'd ever know. As far as common sense goes, we all know who has it and who doesn't. Of course, can't really hold that against you because common sense and wisdom come with age.
Quite possible but irrelevant information doesn't count.

Remind me. What's my age?

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Don't take it too personally because when I laugh at you, I also laugh at myself as I recalled my conversations with the old timers back when I was your age. Hell, I knew it all and the old timeys didn't know nuthin' because I was better trained with more recent knowledge..
Once again, what's my age?

You don't have the life experience at this point in your life than individuals half your age. Not only that but like stated earlier, the information you've retained has proven to be irrelevant.

Your laughter is a defensive mechanism as you come to terms w/ the fact that you've lost traction.

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Twenty years from now, you'd have the same conversation with some youngsters who claimed that you don't know nuthin' about nuthin' and that they know more, and experience more, ad infinitum.
Doubtful as I do my best to stay abreast w/ relevancy.

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It sounds like you need to do more research into the organization that holds these kinds of classes.

Seriously, airsoft optics in a class? I've never seen such an animal at Gunsite training courses.

Of course, if the instructors were of high caliber, then they would have had airsoft boy gone to iron sights and teach airsoft boy on how to fight with iron sight. I know, I know, I know, it's 2012 and iron sights are soooo 19th century and all that, right?

Don't say it if you don't mean it. You're not going to listen to a damn thing we "old timers" are going to say to you. It's cool though, the march of time will enlighten you.
Unfortunately you can't always predict who and what is going to show up and are left having to work w/ what is in front of you. That's what basic classes are for. Most, after realizing there is indead more cons than pros to cheap optics/accessories etc. show up w/ quality gear next time or don't show up at all.

Sites like this are great for conveying such experience. Experience that would help that first time student show up more prepared. But then you have individuals who preach airsoft, just as good, and mediocrity who set these people up for failure. People like you.

When the curriculum for that portion of the class calls for the zeroing of your optic, you zero your optic. When you're supposed to be working malfunction drills you don't work transition drills.

What classes did you attend at Gunsite and when?

If anything you said was relevant people would listen.


The cuteness has worn off and this is starting to resemble 2A talk w/ a liberal. You and your boy don't know what you're talking about but then again as the phrase goes, you don't know what you don't know.

I only continue this so others aren't mislead. However, it seems that the good majority fully understand your incompetence. It appears that my job is complete.

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Budget type quality optics?

NO!!! Your life depends on it!!! It's for Seriously Use!!! Professionally Trained people use it!!! Combat soldiers use it!!!
nah.. If my life ever depends on something I have a good gun to grab. I've done the combat soldier thing, and yea, it's nothing like what Im' doing when I go shooting now days and 99.483% sure it'll never be like that.

We're good on our hundred dollar stuff.

If that little over half a percent possibility does come true there's a Colt Aimpoint combo in my safe or a Colt Eotech combo. Either way I'm good.
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Why an ACOG? The H1/T1 is more than capable of placing fast/accurate rounds on target at distances welll beyond anything a civilian will encounter.
Is the H1/T1 Uncle Sam approved? If not then they're not combat capable.

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Once again, what's my age?
You are, what, 30 at most?

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You don't have the life experience at this point in your life than individuals half your age. Not only that but like stated earlier, the information you've retained has proven to be irrelevant.
Yep, same thing I said to the old timers when I was younger.

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Your laughter is a defensive mechanism as you come to terms w/ the fact that you've lost traction.
Nope. My laughter is the amusement I see myself in you and how things truly come around.
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Doubtful as I do my best to stay abreast w/ relevancy.
Wait till another twenty years.

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Once again, where do you go for these classes? Gunsite? Thunder Ranch? Front Sight? Any well known and well established training center?

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Sites like this are great for conveying such experience. Experience that would help that first time student show up more prepared.
No, if you were to have gone to a well established facility then you would know that these facilities even have pre-basic marksmanship courses to make sure that the shooters even know which way the bullets fly.

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type But then you have individuals who preach airsoft, just as good, and mediocrity who set these people up for failure. People like you.
Show me in any of my post that I have said cheap optics are just as good as quality optics. Come on, I have 40K+ posts, surely you can find one post of me equating an NCStar to an Aimpoint?

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Pistol 250, 350, 499 with the last course was two years ago.

Rifle 170, 270, AK, Battle Rifle. Last course was three years ago.

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If anything you said was relevant people would listen.
I'll bet that plenty of people have listened to my sage advices on GlockTalk than your Mr. Combat advices.


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The cuteness has worn off and this is starting to resemble 2A talk w/ a liberal. You and your boy don't know what you're talking about but then again as the phrase goes, you don't know what you don't know.
If that's makes you feel good and wise, then go for it, grasshoppa.

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I never claimed to be some sort of xpurt unlike you. You see, no matter how good or badass you think you are, or may be in real life you truly are as good and badass as you claim, some people simply don't give a damn. As soon as you can get that through your head, it'll save a lot of headache and blood pressure.
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For the love of God please lock this thread.

You guys have issues.
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FNFAL, your posts and claimed shooting background do not match. This means one of 2 things. Either you are lying or trolling.

I just called up a gentalman that has trained quite a bit w/ Gunsite and is certified to instruct for them.

I had a kid bragging about his time w/ Triple Canopy as we were walking onto the range. After about 5 min. I asked him who he recieved his training from. W/O giving him the chance to respond I asked, "Triple Canopy?" His responce was yes. What he didn't know was that my former boss, now instructor, was a trainer for Triple C.

Like that kid something is not adding up here.
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FNFAL, your posts and claimed shooting background do not match. This means one of 2 things. Either you are lying or trolling.......

Trolling for sure,........as for the other part?
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FNFAL, your posts and claimed shooting background do not match. This means one of 2 things. Either you are lying or trolling.

I just called up a gentalman that has trained quite a bit w/ Gunsite and is certified to instruct for them.

I had a kid bragging about his time w/ Triple Canopy as we were walking onto the range. After about 5 min. I asked him who he recieved his training from. W/O giving him the chance to respond I asked, "Triple Canopy?" His responce was yes. What he didn't know was that my former boss, now instructor, was a trainer for Triple C.

Like that kid something is not adding up here.
And guess what? I don't really care if you think I'm lying or not.

Maybe I lied. Maybe I didn't. You'd never know. And I don't care if you'd know or not knowing or prove I'm a liar or a troll.

And I'm sure that others on GlockTalk don't care either.
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Trolling for sure,........as for the other part?
Trolling? Am I the one that comes into threads that talk about budget optics and budget guns then rag on others about how these things aren't fit for "serious use" and "combat".
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I said I wasn't posting in the thread again but...

I've seen pics of Fal from his military days and more current pics, so he's not lying about his prior service.

Other than that, just knock it off already. This is total BS and the constant arguing in multiple threads is ruining this forum and I wouldn't be surprised if the plug got pulled and he puts the black rifle forum out of its misery.

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You guys have issues.
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And guess what? I don't really care if you think I'm lying or not.

Maybe I lied. Maybe I didn't. You'd never know. And I don't care if you'd know or not knowing or prove I'm a liar or a troll.

And I'm sure that others on GlockTalk don't care either.
Well I hope you did.

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I said I wasn't posting in the thread again but...

I've seen pics of Fal from his military days and more current pics, so he's not lying about his prior service.

Other than that, just knock it off already. This is total BS and the constant arguing in multiple threads is ruining this forum and I wouldn't be surprised if the plug got pulled and he puts the black rifle forum out of its misery.

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Nobody is questioning his service. I don't think anyone here would do so. FNFAL has shared his military experience and it was discussed.

I know it can be hard to follow w/ all the back and forth but that is the main cause of the argument here. People go on about things they think they know. Then when someone sets the record straight, boom, the circus begins.

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