[DanaT]

Originally Posted by G-19

I guess you wont be hiding money out of the country anymore.

Well, as I have said, I have paid all taxes and complied with all IRS reporting requirements.

I will just go to a private swiss bank. No real problem. Just an hour or two worth of hassle.

[dango]

Originally Posted by certifiedfunds

I was in China listening to a Chinese woman explaining the Chinese tax rates. Ours are remarkably similar.

I walked away thinking, "If China is communist, so is the U.S."

Not to off subject but it is my thread so's NEW WORLD ORDER !

NEOCONS........now back to your schedualed programing !

ENTITLEMENT.......................................@

Into the fray , freigh , phreigh , fragh , Whatever....!

[DanaT]

Originally Posted by certifiedfunds

If it's his money, what business is it of yours or anyone else's where he keeps it?

What business is it of the government's?

They dont get that because they think the the money is THEIR money first and mine after they give some of it.

[DanaT]

Originally Posted by G-19

I guess you wont be hiding money out of the country anymore. From what I read the bank is dropping you because you are not worth the hassle. The govt. did not make you close that account.

The govt is making that account close.

But how exactly do you think having people holding money in named accounts move to unnamed accounts is making it harder to hide money for anyone who wanted to?

[tous]

Originally Posted by certifiedfunds

You just want us for our crawfish.

Fair enough.

And your casinos.

[certifiedfunds]

Originally Posted by Averageman

I find it amazing that some folks want a service, recieve it then want to renegotiate the payment for that service after it has been completed.

The people paying for the service did not negotiate the fee. Public employees negotiated with politicians who had neither your best interest nor the taxpayers' best interest in mind.

[certifiedfunds]

Originally Posted by DanaT

Well, in general, people feel that it is the "other person" that is the problem. Cut everything except what puts money in THEIR pocket.

I dont care what govt program it is, that is how it runs.

There are so many special interests like this, there is no way to make the required cuts. We will go off the cliff and look like Greece. The end has already been written. It just how get there and when we arrive.

It's kind of funny that no one has figured out that you and I feed at the Medicare trough too......(you, at least any U.S. business you have).

[Averageman]

Originally Posted by DanaT

You were trying to make a point but you just stumbled upon a big part of the problem.

All the ponzi schemes that the govt runs (i.e. Social security) require an ever expanding amount of new people coming into the system to support the old investors. Even Bernie Madoff had good gains and it "worked" as long as he could keep "new investors" coming in.

So, why don't YOU tell US what we should do with the programs with an ever shrinking population contributing to taxes?

I'm talking about the Military.
How do you keep a Military if you don't want to pay them a living wage?
How do you keep new people comming in to replace those leaving when you screw those leaving out of promised benefits?
How do you pull from the ever shrinking qualified population when you do the above two?
The Ponzi Scheme to me would be that yu promise a reward for my labor and then pull the rug out when the job is completed and the reward is due.
As a believer in the free market you have to compete for labor, this equals money and/or benefits.

[DanaT]

Originally Posted by certifiedfunds

It's kind of funny that no one has figured out that you and I feed at the Medicare trough too......(you, at least any U.S. business you have).

They havent even figured out that the people I need to hire will be 29 hours. At 30 hours/week Obamacare kicks in and it costs a lot more money. So my solution. I will hire 2 twenty hours employees instead of 1 40 hour. Of course I cant do that for the "professional level" jobs but the lower end of the employees will reap the benefits of having to be under 30 hours.

[frizz]

Originally Posted by DanaT

You really dont get it. You are less free than you want to believe. You are much less free than Europeans.

Your main point is valid, but the quoted one is debatable. Consider that in many or maybe most European countries, you can go to prison for expressing certain opinions. Then consider Britain's horrible defamation laws.

Rapist Roman Polanski successfully sued a magazine publisher for libel over a rather minor and unrelated error that cast him in a bad light.

[DanaT]

Originally Posted by Averageman

I'm talking about the Military.

I have already said that contracts that have been made need to be delivered. I also said that compensation may or may not be correct. Past pay packages are not binding on future pay packages.

What you dont see is your sacred cow is not the same sacred cow as bmoore's sacred cow. I promise you he would sacrifice your cow to make sure his lived and I suspect you would do the same.

No one program is the problem just like bmoores $40 a year is not the problem. The problem is when you add them all up, the money is gone.

How does your family pay for everything if you are spending 30% more than your paycheck?

[bmoore]

Originally Posted by DanaT

Wat you dont get is it is NOT $40 a year. It is an EXTRA $40 here, an EXTRA $100 there, on on on.

I will would make you this deal.

We go to a flat tax. everyone pays the same amount and then everyone has to send an extra $40 to their FD. I would go for that.

It is not any individual tax that is an issue...it is all of them combined. $40 in the taxes I pay is noise. I couldn't tell you +/- $40 in my tax bill.

I can blow $40 and not care. $40 to me is not going out to dinner one time a week. I would have to cut back to 2 or 3 times a week.

But honestly to some people $40 is a lot of money at the moment.

What people get upset about the SENSE of entitlement that public employees expect. You are showing why people resent it. You assume that they should just pay "$40 bucks a year". If people were so heavily taxed, they might not mind the $40 a year. But it the sense of "the public can pay more" that upsets us.

Awesome, you agree with my fire protection districts benefit fee. We are not a city, we do not get sales tax. We charge 40 dollars a year benefit fee to households in our district. 4 stations, 4 paramedic engine companies, 2 paramedic ambulances, 2 brush fire engines, a heavy rescue and an on duty batt chief. You call we show up. We have about 80,000 residents in our district and we turn out about 11,000 unit responses a year. We love it and are proud to serve.

I reside in an area that is a district not a city. My benefit fee is about 50 bucks a year. I gladly pay it. 3 blocks from my house where my wife and baby are I have a medic engine with 4 guys on it and paramedic ambulance with 2 medics on it. Money well spent.

[DanaT]

Originally Posted by frizz

Your main point is valid, but the quoted one is debatable. Consider that in many or maybe most European countries, you can go to prison for expressing certain opinions. Then consider Britain's horrible defamation laws.

Rapist Roman Polanski successfully sued a magazine publisher for libel over a rather minor and unrelated error that cast him in a bad light.

In general, about the only thing that you cant say in Germany is something bad about Jewish people. That is illegal.

But in day to day life, you would be surprised. I was walking in the middle of Stuttgart yesterday drinking beer. I sat a table in the beer tent. There were 16 year old kids (they had an arm band saying they were 16 or 17) drinking liters of beer. No police bothered anyone.

[DanaT]

Originally Posted by bmoore

Awesome, you agree with my fire protection districts benefit fee.

I have no issues paying for what I use. I "use" fire protection and should pay for it.

In fact, I think direct taxes like this are best. You pay directly where the money goes. People would then pay what is important and throw the rest out.

EDIT. I also think getting the money as close to where it is needed. It is more efficient.

[bmoore]

Originally Posted by DanaT

I have no issues paying for what I use. I "use" fire protection and should pay for it.

In fact, I think direct taxes like this are best. You pay directly where the money goes. People would then pay what is important and throw the rest out.

Damn man we agree on something. I would like a direct tax to the military.

[DanaT]

Originally Posted by bmoore

I would like a direct tax to the military.

I have no issue with that. I would send my taxes in for that. I in fact think common defense is one of the main tasks of the govt.

[DanaT]

Also why I like direct taxes (such as the FD tax) is it goes where it is supposed to.

Once money goes into a general fund, it gets moved where the politicians want to and misappropriated (they say re appropriated).

[G-19]

Originally Posted by DanaT

In general, about the only thing that you cant say in Germany is something bad about Jewish people. That is illegal.

But in day to day life, you would be surprised. I was walking in the middle of Stuttgart yesterday drinking beer. I sat a table in the beer tent. There were 16 year old kids (they had an arm band saying they were 16 or 17) drinking liters of beer. No police bothered anyone.

Where you carrying your CCW?

[DanaT]

Originally Posted by G-19

Where you carrying your CCW?

Well, I drank 7 or 8 liters of beer. Are you suggesting that I should be carrying a firearm when intoxicated?

[bmoore]

Originally Posted by DanaT

Also why I like direct taxes (such as the FD tax) is it goes where it is supposed to.

Once money goes into a general fund, it gets moved where the politicians want to and misappropriated (they say re appropriated).

I agree with you.

[G-19]

Originally Posted by DanaT

Well, I drank 7 or 8 liters of beer. Are you suggesting that I should be carrying a firearm when intoxicated?

Nope, just pointing out that Germans are not as free as you want to make them sound.

[frizz]

Originally Posted by DanaT

In general, about the only thing that you cant say in Germany is something bad about Jewish people. That is illegal.

But in day to day life, you would be surprised. I was walking in the middle of Stuttgart yesterday drinking beer. I sat a table in the beer tent. There were 16 year old kids (they had an arm band saying they were 16 or 17) drinking liters of beer. No police bothered anyone.

My point is, the difference in the levels of freedom is debatable. How easy is it to get a Glock in most European countries?

See?

[DanaT]

Originally Posted by frizz

My point is, the difference in the levels of freedom is debatable. How easy is it to get a Glock in most European countries?

See?

When is the last time you drove 125+ mph down the highway? I did it 6 hours ago...

And how many of you have a full auto weapon in your house?

If you JUST judge on firearms, I would say Swiss are more free. It easy to get a full auto there.

Or maybe a sound suppressor. I can go down to a gun store and buy one in Germany (or switzerland) without problem. They are not controlled.

[Averageman]

Originally Posted by certifiedfunds

The people paying for the service did not negotiate the fee. Public employees negotiated with politicians who had neither your best interest nor the taxpayers' best interest in mind.

Sounds like the Bonus March could happen all over again eh?
Once again, you elected these "Officials" to negotiate on your behalf.
Not being happy with how your vote turned out in retrospect is no reason to remove what some call an entitlement and I call my retirement.

[frizz]

Originally Posted by DanaT

Well, I drank 7 or 8 liters of beer. Are you suggesting that I should be carrying a firearm when intoxicated?

Two gallons of beer?

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