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Old 10-14-2012, 13:10   #101
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What is really funny is that all of the "conservatives" on this thread defending Social Security and Medicare probably despise socialism, deficit spending and believe we must quit accumulating debt.

Yet, when their teet is threatened they will defend THEIR socialism no matter the fact that spending cannot and will not be reigned in so long as Social Security and Medicare exist in their current form. The teet they defend is THE PROBLEM in the federal budget. Social Security recipients are part of the problem.
Quoted for truth, well said.
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Old 10-14-2012, 13:11   #102
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Or maybe we are afraid to fight a total War?
No one allowed total war in Viet Nam, as no one will allow total war against the Taliban.
Instead we celebrate the "Arab Spring" and watch the Taliban take power with our help.
Instead of comparing the Soldiers in the field compare the Leadership in power.
Some folks want to win and some want to be re elected.
In the military, there are those who work to get the mission done, and there are those who work on getting promoted. This goes for both commissioned and non-commissioned officers.

It is a sad, sad part of human nature, no?
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Old 10-14-2012, 13:12   #103
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its not an entitlement if its earned or contributed to.

Handouts are another story.

If you paid into ss, you get, same for medicare.
If you served in the .mil, you get veterans benefits. Period.

Obama phones, food stamps, welfare, eitc, are another story. Cut off completely except for the most dire of circumstances.
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Old 10-14-2012, 13:14   #104
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What is really funny is that all of the "conservatives" on this thread defending Social Security and Medicare probably despise socialism, deficit spending and believe we must quit accumulating debt.

Yet, when their teet is threatened they will defend THEIR socialism no matter the fact that spending cannot and will not be reigned in so long as Social Security and Medicare exist in their current form. The teet they defend is THE PROBLEM in the federal budget. Social Security recipients are part of the problem.

I don't agree with you 100%, but the general issue of the public trough is a sticky wicket.

"Well, that just depends on who's ox is getting gored." - I donno who said it.
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Old 10-14-2012, 13:25   #105
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I agree that welfare for people who wont work is wrong.

However, SS and Military benifits are not welfare. I will say it, Those that receive SS and those who served in the military are entitled to what they get, they did what they were either required or asked to do and deserve the promised compensation. I don't care if you agree, and neither does the majority of the people in this country. Your crying will not change a thing. Just keep paying your taxes. :p

For all those that claim they will leave the country, where you going? Where you going to find that is better? Good luck.

I also feel that companies who put profit before country, by sending jobs overseas, should be taxed and pay high enough tariffs to pay the unemployment of those they put out of work. If they want tax breaks brings the jobs back home.

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Old 10-14-2012, 13:29   #106
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Or maybe we are afraid to fight a total War?
No one allowed total war in Viet Nam, as no one will allow total war against the Taliban.
Instead we celebrate the "Arab Spring" and watch the Taliban take power with our help.
Instead of comparing the Soldiers in the field compare the Leadership in power.
Some folks want to win and some want to be re elected.
Profit was the game .....................!
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Old 10-14-2012, 13:32   #107
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For all those that claim they will leave the country, where you going? Where you going to find that is better? Good luck.
I have a Swiss residency permit. You?
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Old 10-14-2012, 13:38   #108
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I have a Swiss residency permit. You?
Don't need it, I am not the one crying. If you think it is so bad here, leave.

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Old 10-14-2012, 13:39   #109
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I have a Swiss residency permit. You?
Dana Dana Dana,

Why do you waste your time?

These guys are ridiculous.

"Firefighters put their lives on the line"

"Soldiers risk their lives!"


And I whole heartedly disagree with the statement made by someone that decreasing benefits will decrease the quality of the military. History disagrees with that as well. In fact, it wasn't until you started giving veterans benefits that you got malik from in the hood joining the army fo da college benefits!
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Old 10-14-2012, 13:39   #110
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sticky wicket.

"Well, that just depends on who's ox is getting gored." - I donno who said it.
Though oft-quoted by various professional liars over the years, I believe the origin of the phrase of something like it is Biblical.

Now, how sad is my life that I know that without research.

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I have a Swiss residency permit. You?
We're taking the entire state of Texas with us when we go.
Oklahoma and Louisiana are welcome to come along.
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Old 10-14-2012, 13:43   #112
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I have a Swiss residency permit. You?
http://www.taxrates.cc/html/switzerland-tax-rates.html

When you include Federal, Canton, and VAT I don't see the real advantage. Oh, don't forget the Church Tax.

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Old 10-14-2012, 13:44   #113
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I don't remember attacking you personally. You must be a liberal, generally they like to get personal quickly. I take it you never raised you hand and defended our country. I don't know this to be a fact of course, as I do not know you. But your rantings seem to indicate that.

If you mattered in my day to day being. I might be all butt hurt over your personal attack. You don't so I'm not.
Well, your post was full of lots of misinformation. Please educate yourself. If you find that a personal attack, well, so be it.
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Old 10-14-2012, 13:48   #114
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Though oft-quoted by various professional liars over the years, I believe the origin of the phrase of something like it is Biblical.

Now, how sad is my life that I know that without research.

Education is not a sad thing. You are better for having it, even if the dullards think that it is geeky.

Another thing, isn't it funny when a professional liar utters something so true and insightful? There is a strong ironic flavor to it.
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Old 10-14-2012, 13:49   #115
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Don't need it, I am not the one crying. If you think it is so bad here, leave.
You really dont get it. You are less free than you want to believe. You are much less free than Europeans. If say you are German, you can have a foreign bank account. What do you think the odd of Americans having foreign bank accounts are?

Don't you think that one of the most basic freedoms that someone can have is to choose who to do business with? Once you are told who you can and cant do business with by a government, how free are you?

What you will say is "they wont come after MY money". Guess what. The US government is coming for MY MONEY. I have paid all taxes required to me to pay. I have complied with all Report of Foreign Bank and Financial Account (FBAR) that is required by the IRS.

So what happens...this is a letter I just received....

You think that the government is only worried about how to get MY MONEY? Guess what. Yours is next.

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When you include Federal, Canton, and VAT I don't see the real advantage. Oh, don't forget the Church Tax.
Church tax is optional.

If you add you State income tax, Federal income tax, Social Security, Medicare, Sales tax what do you really think your rate is?
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Dana Dana Dana,

Why do you waste your time?

These guys are ridiculous.

"Firefighters put their lives on the line"

"Soldiers risk their lives!"


And I whole heartedly disagree with the statement made by someone that decreasing benefits will decrease the quality of the military. History disagrees with that as well. In fact, it wasn't until you started giving veterans benefits that you got malik from in the hood joining the army fo da college benefits!
What will you do with a shrinking population capable of meeting the work standard and a growing need for the work?
If you want a Standard of potential competancy for a job you must have a reward given for meeting and keeping that standard. Tougher standard, bigger reward.
Now remove the reward, because you feel it is an entitlement, where does that leave you?
History also shows when we reach this point we either fix the problem or bring in foreign Soldiers to fill our ranks......... and it's all down hill from there.
I find it amazing that some folks want a service, recieve it then want to renegotiate the payment for that service after it has been completed.

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http://www.taxrates.cc/html/switzerland-tax-rates.html

When you include Federal, Canton, and VAT I don't see the real advantage. Oh, don't forget the Church Tax.
And look at corporate tax rates in CH and figure out why so many companies are there.
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I don't remember attacking you personally. You must be a liberal, generally they like to get personal quickly. I take it you never raised you hand and defended our country. I don't know this to be a fact of course, as I do not know you. But your rantings seem to indicate that.

If you mattered in my day to day being. I might be all butt hurt over your personal attack. You don't so I'm not.
I think he attacked your argument, even if he implied you were stupid.

That said, you are correct on the issue. You probably saw my post that sarcastically and ironically said that basic pay was an "entitlement."
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What will you do with a shrinking population capable of meeting the work standard and a growing need for the work?
You were trying to make a point but you just stumbled upon a big part of the problem.

All the ponzi schemes that the govt runs (i.e. Social security) require an ever expanding amount of new people coming into the system to support the old investors. Even Bernie Madoff had good gains and it "worked" as long as he could keep "new investors" coming in.

So, why don't YOU tell US what we should do with the programs with an ever shrinking population contributing to taxes?
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We're taking the entire state of Texas with us when we go.
Oklahoma and Louisiana are welcome to come along.
You just want us for our crawfish.

Fair enough.
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I find it amazing that some folks want a service, recieve it then want to renegotiate the payment for that service after it has been completed.
Do you believe that people, for example if they lose their job, should be able to file bankruptcy?
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You really dont get it. You are less free than you want to believe. You are much less free than Europeans. If say you are German, you can have a foreign bank account. What do you think the odd of Americans having foreign bank accounts are?

Don't you think that one of the most basic freedoms that someone can have is to choose who to do business with? Once you are told who you can and cant do business with by a government, how free are you?

What you will say is "they wont come after MY money". Guess what. The US government is coming for MY MONEY. I have paid all taxes required to me to pay. I have complied with all Report of Foreign Bank and Financial Account (FBAR) that is required by the IRS.

So what happens...this is a letter I just received....

You think that the government is only worried about how to get MY MONEY? Guess what. Yours is next.

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I guess you wont be hiding money out of the country anymore. From what I read the bank is dropping you because you are not worth the hassle. The govt. did not make you close that account.

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Church tax is optional.

If you add you State income tax, Federal income tax, Social Security, Medicare, Sales tax what do you really think your rate is?
I was in China listening to a Chinese woman explaining the Chinese tax rates. Ours are remarkably similar.

I walked away thinking, "If China is communist, so is the U.S."
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I guess you wont be hiding money out of the country anymore.
If it's his money, what business is it of yours or anyone else's where he keeps it?

What business is it of the government's?

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