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10-12-2012, 08:05
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I think the count was Biden interrupted Ryan 82 times.
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10-12-2012, 08:12
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#127
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Id like to see amount of time each spent speaking, like how everyone blamed romney for going over time but Obama spoke more, etc.
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10-12-2012, 08:16
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Originally Posted by frank4570
Bear with me, I'm not up to speed on this. How will the govt force a private business to accept these conditions?
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Obamacare considers contraceptives, sterilizations, and abortion a "preventative services" that must be covered whether its private insurance or goverment healthcare. As an employer under Obamacare you are required to offer insurance to your employees or face fines. So regardless if you are pro-life, if you are an employer you must provide coverage for abortions to your employees, and if you are a taxpayer you will be paying for abortions for those under government healthcare. The catholic church itself was recently exempt, but all other Catholic orgainzations are not.
http://www.catholic.org/national/nat...y.php?id=46822
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...erage-mandate/
http://news.investors.com/ibd-editor...ate.htm?p=full
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10-12-2012, 08:37
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Originally Posted by GreenDrake
I think the count was Biden interrupted Ryan 82 times.
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And I just heard that the Radish interrupted Ryan another 31 times, making a total of 113 interruptions of Ryan in 90 minutes.
She interrupted Biden only 19 times. She's the most biased moderator in modern debate history. It was really two against one.
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10-12-2012, 08:45
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Originally Posted by GreenDrake
I think the count was Biden interrupted Ryan 82 times.
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Nope, it was 800 million billion... 
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10-12-2012, 09:04
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Originally Posted by Ian Moone
As a financial guy, there is one thing that has ticked me off in debate #1 and #2. Why do Romney/Ryan let the other side get away with the phrase "let Detroit go bankrupt" without clarification.
I understand the term bankrupt means bad things to the common man. However, at the mega-corporation level, the only significant difference between a corporate bankruptcy filing and a government bailout is ...under organized bankruptcy, unions lose power. Otherwise, the business reorganized its finanance, amend debt covenants, restructures management and sheds some debt. The real losers are the common stockholders, bondholders and the banks ...aka rich people with the dems hate.
A simple compare/contrast could further expose Obama/Biden for the double-talking hypocrits that they are.
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 Romney explained this briefly IIRC, Ryan completely let this go.
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Originally Posted by JW1178
The VP debate needs to be about VP issues and what they would do as VP.
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Yes, like how about pressuring Harry Reid to allow bills to be voted on, win or loose? (the VP is president of the Senate)
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Originally Posted by Bilbo Bagins
I got to admit that Ryan letter writting thing was a zinger.
However the Biden "I won't force my faith on anyone." is a slap in the face to Catholics. Obamacare is forcing Catholic hospitals to preform abortions and provide birthcontrol, and the same with Catholic employers forcing them to pay for healthcare coverage for their employees that will offer covered Abortions and Birth Control.
Sure Biden says he does not want to force his Catholic faith on anyone, but he sure will force his liberal faith on you regardless what God you believe in.
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On the other hand, Biden talks smack about the wars that he voted to fund. Could have been an even bigger zinger if Ryan was aware of it and he brought it up.
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10-12-2012, 09:08
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obamacare re defines full time as 120 hours a month so businesses will slash employee hours to under that. Ive been told my hours will be capped at work. ant believe more people aren't against this seeing they'll need 2 jobs to get by and finding other jobs in an obama economy will be tough
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10-12-2012, 09:38
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I figured Biden would do something retarded and I wasn't wrong. He showed up as the worlds biggest, rudest tool.
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10-12-2012, 14:43
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Originally Posted by Diesel McBadass
Id like to see amount of time each spent speaking, like how everyone blamed romney for going over time but Obama spoke more, etc.
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From what I recall hearing it was pretty even with Biden talking a few seconds more than Ryan.
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10-12-2012, 14:44
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Originally Posted by ChuteTheMall
And I just heard that the Radish interrupted Ryan another 31 times, making a total of 113 interruptions of Ryan in 90 minutes.
She interrupted Biden only 19 times. She's the most biased moderator in modern debate history. It was really two against one.
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I actually thought she was fair and asked Biden as many tough questions as she asked Ryan.
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10-12-2012, 14:51
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I didn't care for Biden's demeanor, but so what. Biden lied about the Libyan Ambassador's murder and he lied about Catholic church leadership's position on Obamacare's mandates that they violate Church doctrine. Quite frankly slimy politicians like Biden make my skin crawl. That said, i don't think Ryan did a particularly good job. Al-in-all not an inspiring debate and won't impact the election one way or another.
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10-12-2012, 14:55
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Originally Posted by ChuteTheMall
And I just heard that the Radish interrupted Ryan another 31 times, making a total of 113 interruptions of Ryan in 90 minutes.
She interrupted Biden only 19 times. She's the most biased moderator in modern debate history. It was really two against one.
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you do know who she's married to, right?
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10-12-2012, 15:08
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Originally Posted by jakebrake
you do know who she's married to, right?
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Tom Gjelten. So?
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10-12-2012, 16:52
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Thank you for spelling that out for me.
I'm very much pro choice.
But religious people shouldn't have their choice taken away. So, I'll have to think on this a bit.
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10-12-2012, 17:18
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Originally Posted by ChuteTheMall
And I just heard that the Radish interrupted Ryan another 31 times, making a total of 113 interruptions of Ryan in 90 minutes.
She interrupted Biden only 19 times. She's the most biased moderator in modern debate history. It was really two against one.
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I agree, extremely biased.
She made sure it was payback time for the trouncing Romney gave Obama.
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10-12-2012, 17:57
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Originally Posted by Flying-Dutchman
I agree, extremely biased.
She made sure it was payback time for the trouncing Romney gave Obama.
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She looked like that meth head woman from Breaking Bad season 1,2,3. Debbie?
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10-12-2012, 18:09
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I find it interesting that Biden said he didn't want to force his convictions on others, yet he and Obama have pushed forcing Catholic institutions to perform abortions and abortion counseling against their will.
Seems that he doesn't mind forcing his convictions on others at all, as long as it's a pro-abortion conviction.
I wish Ryan would have pointed that out and thrown it back at him during the debate.
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10-12-2012, 22:31
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Biden came off as the quintessential horse's ass he really is.
Had this been a courtroom venue, any justice worthy of his or her bench, would have cited Biden for contempt—several times.
And speaking of quintessential, Martha Raddatz is one of the most blatant examples of a Liberal hack, that I can recall in recent memory.
If you mistake belligerence for strength, and arrogance for intelligence, you'll give last night's debate to Biden, hence the Liberal victory claimed.
If substance and honesty are more your thing, and you want to grade the event by replaying it point by point, without mainstream bias, you’ll find that Paul Ryan lent dignity and quality to an otherwise wasted 90-minutes.
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P.S. The Breaking Bad meth-whore’s name is Wendy. Love that show! 
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10-13-2012, 17:09
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Last edited by glockman66; 10-13-2012 at 17:11..
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10-13-2012, 19:52
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Yes, that about nails it!
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10-13-2012, 21:35
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Great cartoon, but I did think Biden crushed him. Ryan seemed so indecisive, ill informed, noncommital and "thirsty"
Biden was pretty agressive, borderline rude at times, but I'd rather have Biden as Pres than Ryan, just don't think Ryan has the stuff.
Now, please feel free to bash me.
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10-14-2012, 08:21
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Originally Posted by Shark1007
Great cartoon, but I did think Biden crushed him. Ryan seemed so indecisive, ill informed, noncommital and "thirsty"
Biden was pretty agressive, borderline rude at times, but I'd rather have Biden as Pres than Ryan, just don't think Ryan has the stuff.
Now, please feel free to bash me.
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If you mistake belligerence for strength, and arrogance for intelligence, you'll give last night's debate to Biden...
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10-16-2012, 10:28
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