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Old 10-12-2012, 15:28   #51
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Nice sbr.

This is just me, but I'd put a can and an aim point on it. Hell, I'd ditch the whole 5.56 upper and keep it in the safe and get a 300 blackout upper. You already have the registered part. 300 blackout for fun and 5.56 for shooting cheap.
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Old 10-12-2012, 15:43   #52
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Going out to fix downed helicopters is a common occurrence lol. They actually just had to go out to the Arizona Desert the other night with a maintenance crew to fix a Cobra that had to land out there due to a tail rotor problem.

I understand everything you are saying and get it but at the same time how many of those aircraft mechanics actually return fire or come under fire that isn't IDF?

It's pretty rare. I'm all for whatever they want to give us I'm just saying it's not really necessary for everyone to have a 600 dollar optic on top of their rifle. I put down the same argument for camoflauge uniforms when the subject comes up.


And what I'm telling you, is that its a poor argument.

DART teams, in country, have come in contact, fairly regularly. Generally speaking, contact, is the reason we went out to fix the bird in the first place.

In 05/06 our DART and Crash Recovery assets were coming under fire quite a bit, either on station, or enroute to the aircraft. We were issued M-16A2's instead of the M-4s the flight crews got, because we didn't need anything more. The mechanics aren't getting shot at, why did they need Acogs and red dots etc.



Just because you're inside the wire today, and have a job that doesn't require front line service, does not mean you won't have a need for your rifle, and good optics tomorrow.


But I might just be biased. I was the guy in the dirt in 06 with an A2, now I'm the platoon sgt making sure his guys get the Acogs.
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Old 10-12-2012, 16:02   #53
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But I might just be biased. I was the guy in the dirt in 06 with an A2, now I'm the platoon sgt making sure his guys get the Acogs.
ACOGs are not reflex sights. They are short scopes. Sure, some of them have the built-in mini red dots as backup or whatever, but ACOGs are not red dots by nature but actual telescopic sights.
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Old 10-12-2012, 16:03   #54
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Very true. How about the guys who are working for the same .mil yet can pick what gear they use? More often than not you'll see the same optics on their weapon systems. That speaks volumes to me.
Which guys and which gears? Every time you see an M4 of some sort from the snake eaters, they either have an ACOG or an Aimpoint or an EOTech.

So, which spec op expert's gear configuration should I follow?
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ACOGs are not reflex sights. They are short scopes. Sure, some of them have the built-in mini red dots as backup or whatever, but ACOGs are not red dots by nature but actual telescopic sights.


Uh, I understand this.

Has nothing to do with what Jeepinbandit and I were talking about.


I was specifically addressing his statement, that as a aircraft mechanic in the Marines, he'd be just as well off with a low budget reflex, or iron sights, as an ACOG.
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I'm generally agreeing with ya.
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I was specifically addressing his statement, that as a aircraft mechanic in the Marines, he'd be just as well off with a low budget reflex, or iron sights, as an ACOG.
As an aircraft mechanic in the Marines, he'd get what Uncle Sam's Misguided Children issues to him, be it an ACOG, Elcan or whatever the Gyrines use. He wouldn't get the chance to put a Primary Arms or NCStar on his rifle.
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Old 10-12-2012, 20:02   #58
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Old 10-12-2012, 20:25   #59
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Is Primary Arms having a problem? Went to order a couple of Micro Dots and they are out of stock on ALL of their own sights.

???WTF???

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Is Primary Arms having a problem? Went to order a couple of Micro Dots and they are out of stock on ALL of their own sights.

???WTF???

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They've been sold out of stock for 6 months now.

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Old 10-12-2012, 21:48   #61
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How old were you when you flinked out of Logic 101?

You're weird dude, this is the second time you and I have done this run-around. You answer someone elses question in a general fashion. I subsequently ask a TOTALLY DIFFERENT question, and for some bizzare reason you think your previous answer to someone else's totally different question, answers mine.

WTF is wrong with you, can you not answer a simple couple of SPECIFIC questions?

Once again; How does the actual optical glass compare? How does the reticle/dot look between the two? Is the glass as clear? Is the reticle/dot as crisp?

If you answer that you've already answered these questions, you're a ****ing retard.
You're correct. I should have been more direct w/ my answer.

If one uses better materials assembled by more qualified individuals what do you think the end product will be? Worse? Better?

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Which guys and which gears? Every time you see an M4 of some sort from the snake eaters, they either have an ACOG or an Aimpoint or an EOTech.

So, which spec op expert's gear configuration should I follow?
My point exactly.

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As an aircraft mechanic in the Marines, he'd get what Uncle Sam's Misguided Children issues to him, be it an ACOG, Elcan or whatever the Gyrines use. He wouldn't get the chance to put a Primary Arms or NCStar on his rifle.



Are you just going around trolling my posts?


Go back and READ what we were talking about. Stop trying to pick apart a single post, without figuring out what we were talking about.
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Are you just going around trolling my posts?


Go back and READ what we were talking about. Stop trying to pick apart a single post, without figuring out what we were talking about.
I know what you're talking about. The problem is that you and a host of others can't seem to separate combat equipment versus civilian usage.
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Well put

"separate combat equipment from civilian usage"

In my particular case, "civilian usage" actually translates to "might shoot every two or three months".
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Well put

"separate combat equipment from civilian usage"

In my particular case, "civilian usage" actually translates to "might shoot every two or three months".
Nothing wrong w/ only getting out 4-6 times a month but some may shoot once a week and seek instruction 1-2 times or more a month in addition.

Good equipment is still good equipment and worth saving for or streemlining other "hobbies".

Gear doesn't make the shooter but it can help. I also feel that talent can overcome bad gear. I'd rather have good gear and talent. Working on both.
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I know what you're talking about. The problem is that you and a host of others can't seem to separate combat equipment versus civilian usage.
Explain...
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I know what you're talking about. The problem is that you and a host of others can't seem to separate combat equipment versus civilian usage.

I'm unsure at this point, if you actually trolling my posts, or if you really are handicapped.


If you had taken the time to read what Jeepin and I were talking about, you'd have realized we were on a side-bar from the original topic, specifically talking about combat equipment.



However, it would appear, that you either failed to go back and read the post I referenced, or you've repeatedly failed to understand what I said.
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I'm unsure at this point, if you actually trolling my posts, or if you really are handicapped.

Nope,.......he's a straight up troll!
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I'm unsure at this point, if you actually trolling my posts, or if you really are handicapped.


If you had taken the time to read what Jeepin and I were talking about, you'd have realized we were on a side-bar from the original topic, specifically talking about combat equipment.



However, it would appear, that you either failed to go back and read the post I referenced, or you've repeatedly failed to understand what I said.
If you were to want to have sidebar conversation then use PM. You posted in a public thread, so expect rebuttals.
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Nope,.......he's a straight up troll!
Better a troll than a ball washer/Kool-Aid drinker.

You combat/tactical/custom gun types make me laugh because you take yourselves so seriously and annoint yourselves as some sort of experts in all things shootings & combat.

Don't want me to troll? Easy. Don't post ludicrous replies to simple questions.
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Actually, I think we just wanted you on topic.


I really don't think anyone in here minds a rebuttal when you're on topic. But when you come in and flame someone, and your "rebuttal" has nothing to do with the statements being made, it just makes you look stupid.
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Old 10-13-2012, 23:01   #72
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I have the next model up SightMark with the 4 reticle dial and then the intensity dial is just forward of the quick release on me Ak. It seems like a solid piece.

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Explain...
What's to explain?

Military service does not equal to civilian usage. Do I have to draw up a PhD level thesis to explain it?
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Actually, I think we just wanted you on topic.


I really don't think anyone in here minds a rebuttal when you're on topic. But when you come in and flame someone, and your "rebuttal" has nothing to do with the statements being made, it just makes you look stupid.
Then let's get on the topic. The man talks about cheap optics for his goof-off gun. He doesn't talk about having optics to fight against Blue Helmets, biker gangs, MS-13 or to hunt Charlie/Haji.

Every time somebody asks about cheap optics or cheap guns for fooling around, you lot of people have to chime in about "serious use" and "military fighting experience" and "high speed low drag" and "professional training".
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I'm sorry, I didn't realize I needed your permission to post, or comment on other peoples posts.



I'll try to remember to check with you in the future.






Did one of your 20 yr olds dump you or something? You seem to be on quite the kick trying to stay relevant here.
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