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Old 09-26-2012, 10:28   #21
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Nothing wrong with a 230 Gr HP, will do fine out to 100-150 yards.
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Old 09-26-2012, 22:39   #22
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Distance to target?
What carbine?
Does the ammo in the carbine need to be the ammo used in a handgun? What handgun?
Do you reload?

Get me some answers and maybe I can give you some answers. Everyone else here is just pushing their own favorite load.
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Old 09-27-2012, 06:03   #23
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I've done some research and I see that the 230gr does not gain a significant amount of velocity out of a 16" barrel over your standard 5" handgun barrel. I found an article that demonstrated where the lighter loads, the 165 gr specifically, gained 200ft/sec out the barrel but fragmented on impact with the ballistics gel and penetrated just over 5". Is 230gr the way to go? Right now, I have PDX1 230gr bonded hollow point but just checking into other loads. Here is the article:

http://www.shootingillustrated.com/i...iber-carbines/
My chronograph, using 230 hardball, showed a lower velocity out of my Marlin Camp 45, then my 1911, at 10 yards. Didn't do any load experimenting, but I wasn't impressed. Has anyone else compared velocities?
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Old 09-27-2012, 09:34   #24
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Distance to target?
What carbine?
Does the ammo in the carbine need to be the ammo used in a handgun? What handgun?
Do you reload?

Get me some answers and maybe I can give you some answers. Everyone else here is just pushing their own favorite load.
I would say at least out to 50 yards, maybe 100 max. I don't reload and the barrel is 16", a Hi-Point 4595TS.
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Old 09-27-2012, 09:39   #25
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I would say at least out to 50 yards, maybe 100 max. I don't reload and the barrel is 16", a Hi-Point 4595TS.
Do you need to use the same load for a handgun or can this be a different load?

The Hi-Point 4595TS is straight blow back operated? No locking breach?
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Old 09-27-2012, 18:45   #26
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.45 ACP +p

The CorBon 185gr JHP load gets 1100 FPS out of a 5-inch M1911A1 pistol, and the muzzle flash is big. The bullet would still be accelerating in an 18-inch barrel. You may even get 1800 or more FPS out of the long barrel.
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Old 10-08-2012, 16:59   #27
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For HD the Just Right Carbine .45 ACP Is loaded with hollowpoint ammo. For range 230 grain FMJ. I was told to not use +P because of the blow back operation. Just Right has redesigned newer guns to work better with +P .
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For HD the Just Right Carbine .45 ACP Is loaded with hollowpoint ammo. For range 230 grain FMJ. I was told to not use +P because of the blow back operation. Just Right has redesigned newer guns to work better with +P .
I never thought that blow-back operated firearms could be so finicky.
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The bore diameter is .452"? There are a lot of .45 ACP factory loads and bullets at .451.
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Since we can't carry a carbine for self defense I will assume that you are thinking Home Defense.
Get a shot gun. Best home defense weapon made for normal folks.
Actually, in MO, I can. I occasionally do carry a Kel-Tec RFB in 7.62x51. With a CCW, ALL legal weapons are permitted to be carried concealed.

Before you ask why, let me tell you, I HAVE seen firsthand some of the evils of men, and don't intend to become one of their victims.
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I never thought that blow-back operated firearms could be so finicky.
My understanding was they are. I have done several 'melt' jobs on my carry guns, and researched the subject extensively before putting file to metal.

To operate correctly, the weight of the slide and the return spring(s) are 'tuned' by the designer to work with a particular class of bullet weight and chamber pressure. If either of these are altered by the user, say, by using +P , +P+ or larger or smaller handloads, the gun may now be out of 'tune' and not operate properly.
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Do you need to use the same load for a handgun or can this be a different load?

The Hi-Point 4595TS is straight blow back operated? No locking breach?
Yep, blow back. It still shoots everything and anything I put through it thus far. For now, I use PDX-1 230gr JHP. I've put 100 rounds of those and another 600+ rounds of various .45 ACP rounds.
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Yep, blow back. It still shoots everything and anything I put through it thus far. For now, I use PDX-1 230gr JHP. I've put 100 rounds of those and another 600+ rounds of various .45 ACP rounds.
Since you want to use the same round for both handgun and long gun, I think you are on the right track. Any of the premium 230gr rounds will do.

If it expands at range, great. If it doesn't you will get a through and through.

Up close and personal, the 230gr may over expand, but I have done a good bit of testing and even when the bullet over expands it still does a nice job of penetrating and a 451 hole is not that bad.
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My understanding was they are. I have done several 'melt' jobs on my carry guns, and researched the subject extensively before putting file to metal.

To operate correctly, the weight of the slide and the return spring(s) are 'tuned' by the designer to work with a particular class of bullet weight and chamber pressure. If either of these are altered by the user, say, by using +P , +P+ or larger or smaller handloads, the gun may now be out of 'tune' and not operate properly.
I guess that there is a lot to blowback-operated pistols and carbines
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