Feeding the Malcontent, (State Corrections)

**Hack** · 10-08-2012, 15:04

In order to not run afoul of current regulations I work with, I will attribute this to what I have seen in the state system that I used to work in. However, I would not be surprised as to how much this applies in many prison settings.

When feeding inmates it is amazing at times the amount of complaining that I have heard. I'm thinking it really hasn't changed that much over the years. What they have been fed was deemed nutritionally sufficient, and varied enough to keep them in reasonably good health, and to have been done on a budget.

It is sometimes interesting when I have mentioned to them about how good they really have it. The responses I have gotten were varied, of course; but usually they reek of discontent. No, they haven't gotten everything they wanted. But, they have gotten fed the nutrients of a life sustaining diet, and gaining weight was easy enough. They were not forced into hard labor in our country, since there are those who deem that to be cruel, and unusual punishment. They haven't had to grow there own food to survive, nor have they had to bribe the guards with money in order to have food brought in to them from the outside, (not to mention that was illegal).

In some countries it is expected that there will be a family member who will bring food in from the outside, or else the inmate goes hungry. In some others if they are lucky enough they will get enough to live on, and to survive. I remember when the county I was born in used to feed a couple of bologna and cheese sandwiches, and maybe some cold cereal a day, (I was involved in local jail ministry then), yet these knuckleheads that I have watched over the years in the state were complaining because the food didn't meet there personal dietary standards; while getting three hots and cot.

Get a clue inmates, (some of those incarcerated will possibly see this), don't get convicted of crimes against society. Then you can eat what you can afford to eat on your money, or ours if you are on welfare.

blueiron · 10-08-2012, 18:32

I keep telling ya - exhausted inmates are compliant inmates!

**Hack** · 10-08-2012, 18:55

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Originally Posted by blueiron

I keep telling ya - exhausted inmates are compliant inmates!

Totally agree. Unfortunately, chain gangs and such like are not allowed in the fed system. But, I have some ideas that would really work, and may even be allowed under federal law, although policy would have to be changed.

blueiron · 10-08-2012, 19:05

Don't want 'chain gangs'? How about press gangs aboard merchant ships? Hulls need to be needle chipped, brightwork needs polishing, metal needs to be painted, bilges need cleaning, decks need holystoning, engineering needs greasing, etc.

It gets them out of the nation, teaches them a trade, reduces escapes onto U.S. territories, and malcontents can ride out their protestations in the brig under Admiralty law.

Work the way out or suffer the consequences.

Bren · 10-08-2012, 19:06

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Originally Posted by Hack

Get a clue inmates, (some of those incarcerated will possibly see this), don't get convicted of crimes against society. Then you can eat what you can afford to eat on your money, or ours if you are on welfare.

They need to have and annual "Nutriloaf Month" so they will appreciate what they are getting the other 11 months of the year.

**Hack** · 10-08-2012, 19:13

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Originally Posted by Bren

They need to have and annual "Nutriloaf Month" so they will appreciate what they are getting the other 11 months of the year.

He, he. I think that would be a splendid idea.

I know the US Army DB used to do that to certain of the malcontent. From what I heard it worked real well concerning behaviour modification.

**Hack** · 10-08-2012, 19:14

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Originally Posted by blueiron

Don't want 'chain gangs'? How about press gangs aboard merchant ships? Hulls need to be needle chipped, brightwork needs polishing, metal needs to be painted, bilges need cleaning, decks need holystoning, engineering needs greasing, etc.

It gets them out of the nation, teaches them a trade, reduces escapes onto U.S. territories, and malcontents can ride out their protestations in the brig under Admiralty law.

Work the way out or suffer the consequences.

Now there is something to propose to your congress person. Since you don't work for my agency it may even be more effective.

Vigilant · 10-08-2012, 19:36

So much WIN in this thread!

I have told more than one of those turds that if they don't like our customer service, there is a quick and easy cure for that.

I'm about tired of the bellyaching. I had one sitting in front of me a while back who had the nerve to say, "I don't like it here". My response: "Well guess what. You're not SUPPOSED to like it here!"

Bastards.

**Hack** · 10-08-2012, 19:41

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Originally Posted by Vigilant

So much WIN in this thread!

I have told more than one of those turds that if they don't like our customer service, there is a quick and easy cure for that.

I'm about tired of the bellyaching. I had one sitting in front of me a while back who had the nerve to say, "I don't like it here". My response: "Well guess what. You're not SUPPOSED to like it here!"

Bastards.

I feel the pain brother.

frizz · 10-08-2012, 19:46

They are malcontents, right?

**Hack** · 10-08-2012, 20:03

Quite so.

kpuscg04 · 10-08-2012, 21:38

As a former merchant mariner, I'd like to address the suggestion of putting convicts on merchant vessels as work crews.

NO.

That is all.

**Hack** · 10-08-2012, 21:46

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Originally Posted by kpuscg04

As a former merchant mariner, I'd like to address the suggestion of putting convicts on merchant vessels as work crews.

NO.

That is all.

OK. How about committing them to transportation, with BOP in charge of the inmates, and merchant mariners being in charge of the ships?

Vigilant · 10-08-2012, 22:44

How about bring back the REAL chain gangs? As Blue said, exhausted inmates are compliant inmates.

drewseph · 10-08-2012, 23:02

"This jail sucks."-I/m

"Thanks man." -Me

merlynusn · 10-09-2012, 06:53

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Originally Posted by kpuscg04

As a former merchant mariner, I'd like to address the suggestion of putting convicts on merchant vessels as work crews.

NO.

That is all.

As another former merchant mariner. I agree Jim.

If anyone really wants a longer explanation, I'm more than happy to oblige.

frizz · 10-09-2012, 07:24

This reminds me of what a mental health counselor told me he haw at the women's prison in Alabama. Hamburger meat shipped into the cafeteria that was marked "Unfit for Human Consumption."

Gotta admit mixed feelings on that.

RocPO · 10-09-2012, 07:50

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Originally Posted by frizz

This reminds me of what a mental health counselor told me he haw at the women's prison in Alabama. Hamburger meat shipped into the cafeteria that was marked "Unfit for Human Consumption."

Gotta admit mixed feelings on that.

Good thing it was going to inmates then.

lawman800 · 10-09-2012, 07:54

I've heard inmates gripe while I was booking and processing at the County lockup. I just tell them it ain't the Hilton and if they don't like it, don't come back.

frizz · 10-09-2012, 07:55

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Originally Posted by RocPO

Good thing it was going to inmates then.

Better them than COs.

A6Gator · 10-09-2012, 10:33

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Originally Posted by Hack

In some countries it is expected that there will be a family member who will bring food in from the outside, or else the inmate goes hungry.

Hack, I like the way you think. Maybe we need to start an exchange program. We had one when I was active duty and it'd give them an opportunity to sample life in other countries. Let 'em spend a year or two in Greek or Turkish prisons and I'll bet their perspectives will change significantly. Even cheaper, let them spend some time south of the border...

Ohio Copper · 10-09-2012, 11:23

From my observations: the majority of inmates here are astoundingly lazy. I'm amazed how they've managed to stay alive thus far and I'm assuming we have corner stores and McDonald's to thank for that. They are all dirty mofos and the guys who do clean the pods generally have ulterior motives for doing so.

Sent from my PKE meter.

nursetim · 10-09-2012, 11:46

When I worked in the NM system I had these thoughts.

1) send the real trouble makers and shot callers to mexico (sorry Pureo Mexico) and see if they are as vocal in 1 year.

2) pump weed smoke into the housing units. They will gladly eat food loaf and ask for more. Added benefit, assaults would be down. Have you ever seen stoners fight? Comical.

3) for the really scuzzy villains, send them to a Thailand prison, though I like the Turkish idea as well. Then bring them back and see if they break squelch again.

countrygun · 10-09-2012, 12:20

To quote "the Duke" from "Cahill, U.S. Marshall"

"You don't like the treatment......don't rob the bank"

dweer · 10-09-2012, 13:41

We just got a guy in our place that was transferred...from a prison in China. American working over there and got busted with drugs and served a few years before coming here to serve US fed time. Funny, but he seemed to think our place was quite nice