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Old 10-06-2012, 17:52   #61
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My goal is to have one of the two mainstream parties work towards smaller, less intrusive government. Currently neither of them do. Accomplishing that goal doesn't require having the Libertarian party become one of the mainstream parties, nor having the Libertarian candidate become president. Obviously those aren't realistic in the forseeable future. Therefore, the goal is to have the Republican party become that party, since they already pay lip service to those principles. In order to get them to actually walk the walk though, they have to understand that victory depends upon them honoring those principles. They're not going to adopt small government principles just by being asked to do so. Idle threats or "protest votes" in safe states won't work. Victory will have to depend on it. That means votes against them where and when it counts. That means in swing states, and that means now.
So your answer is for a minority to control the direction of the Country?

Oh that has worked so well in history.

It is the Country that needs changing as a whole. I am very fearful of people who place so much emphasis on the top position especially a small percentage of the voters.

So answer me this question.

If you are part of such a small group that you can't make a blip on the radar of the major parties in their primaries how do you expect to change the whole Country?
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Old 10-06-2012, 17:55   #62
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My goal is to have one of the two mainstream parties work towards smaller, less intrusive government. Currently neither of them do. Accomplishing that goal doesn't require having the Libertarian party become one of the mainstream parties, nor having the Libertarian candidate become president. Obviously those aren't realistic in the forseeable future. Therefore, the goal is to have the Republican party become that party, since they already pay lip service to those principles. In order to get them to actually walk the walk though, they have to understand that victory depends upon them honoring those principles. They're not going to adopt small government principles just by being asked to do so. Idle threats or "protest votes" in safe states won't work. Victory will have to depend on it. That means votes against them where and when it counts. That means in swing states, and that means now.
OK, so four more years of Odumbo gets us smaller government how, exactly? You've got Obamacare in place, upheld by the Supreme Court. Like it? Think Obama will help repeal it? How do you feel about all those massive social programs that have been in place for decades, now? Think Odumbo will reduce any of them? Think Odumbo will expand them and ensure more people qualify? What has he done so far?

This is called spite. Pure spite. Paul lost, and for good reasons (his actions belied his shallow convictions about lower spending and smaller government, for one thing). Get over it. Get over yourselves. Sheesh.

You Paulistas, like Paul himself, revel in your own self-importance. "Look at me! Look at me! My vote really matters! And I will wield my vote like a toddler swinging a plastic 'He Man' sword." For me I'm done playing your game. Do whatever you want. You will do that anyway and logic or history or common sense will not convince you otherwise. You will have to learn the lesson yourself, since your parents and teachers succeeded in boosting your self-esteem to grandiose levels and each of you thinks you're the smartest guy in the room.
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Old 10-06-2012, 18:27   #63
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My goal is to have one of the two mainstream parties work towards smaller, less intrusive government. Currently neither of them do. Accomplishing that goal doesn't require having the Libertarian party become one of the mainstream parties, nor having the Libertarian candidate become president. Obviously those aren't realistic in the forseeable future. Therefore, the goal is to have the Republican party become that party, since they already pay lip service to those principles. In order to get them to actually walk the walk though, they have to understand that victory depends upon them honoring those principles. They're not going to adopt small government principles just by being asked to do so. Idle threats or "protest votes" in safe states won't work. Victory will have to depend on it. That means votes against them where and when it counts. That means in swing states, and that means now.
Guess what? The GOP is becoming that party. Compare the socially and (relatively) fiscally liberal Northeastern dominated "Country club" GOP of the first half of the 20th century to the Libertarian infused GOP of the 60's (Goldwater) through the tax- cut, supply side 80's (Reagan) and the (slowly) willing to tackle entitlement reform GOP of today (Tea Party). You're just upset that it hasn't happened according to what you think the time table should have been.

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Old 10-07-2012, 06:58   #64
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Gary Johnson believes in a strong military and protecting America's foreign interests. He does not however believe in wasting money on nation building.
Nice try.

http://www.ontheissues.org/gary_johnson.htm

Says there he's calling for a 43% cut in defense spending.
Iran is not a problem for him either.

I don't agree with him. I'd cut military spending by 20%, food stamps by 95%, replaced with soup kitchens, and return unemployment back to 9 weeks total. Welfare would be cut to sustenance only levels. Review boards for the ambulatory disabled too. There would be a lot of jobs when you start jailing the employers of illegals and cutting off all education benefits to illegal kids, and I mean all benefits K through grad school


If you find that candidate, let me know. Maybe even I'd vote third party if there were anyone worth looking at running in them.

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Old 10-07-2012, 14:20   #65
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While every fiber of my body would like to vote for Johnson I voted for H. Ross Perot many years ago. Never again. I will be holding my nose and voting Romney. Because regardless of what others say. If you vote for Obama you will vote for Obama. If you Vote for Romney it is a vote for Romney. But if you vote for anyone other than Romney it is a vote for Obama because none of the other guys have a chance, NONE. In fact if and your State may vary but in Texas if the person is not a Declared candidate, or a declared write in candidate the vote is not counted at all it hits the garbage. So thinking you are being cute and voting for Paul, Sponge Bob, or your pet cat does nothing except 4 more years of socialism.
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