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Old 08-31-2012, 16:36   #26
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They put it in a small shipping box with your info on it, and see if it comes back.

I think you're exactly right!

I'm fairly certain Lone Wolf does not test their products before they ship them. You definitely want to assemble and test fire that before doing any additional work to it.
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Old 08-31-2012, 18:02   #27
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Understood. I had hopes, because I was told one of the delays was that the armorer needed to check them out first.

I noticed OneSourceTactical no longer does rmr work on lone wolf slides.... wonder if slide quality has something to do with it.
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Old 08-31-2012, 20:54   #28
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I noticed OneSourceTactical no longer does rmr work on lone wolf slides.... wonder if slide quality has something to do with it.
That's exactly why.

L&M does great work though, Mark did my G21 slide earlier this year and it turned out great, the cutout matches my RMR exactly. Good turnaround time too; I'll use his services again.
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Old 09-01-2012, 14:05   #29
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Slides are in stock as of Monday. Mine shipped out today. Figures... I'm on travel and won't be home for a couple weeks, lol.

Going to have rmr milled by L&M precision. Trying to decide if I assemble slide and test fire before milling, or just have my dad ship the rmr and the slide out while I'm gone. Anybody know what lone wolf does to ensure the slides meet specs? If its assemble and test fire, I'm pretty sure I know which way I'm gonna handle this
yeah, I put at least 400 rounds thru the gun at every stage of work. Before it went to milling I had almost 1K thru it in testing. No way I'm spending money on a slide that wont work only to find out AFTER. I found a LOT of issues during that process too.

fully assemble then run a LOT of different rounds thru it of various weights and power before you send it off. no joke... at least 500 rounds.

by the time I got the slide back from milling on the final stage of the build, I knew what 4 different spring weights and 5 different loads would do on it both with and without a compensator, so there were no real surprises when I sighted in the dot.
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Old 09-11-2012, 21:47   #30
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darth chicken, was yours a soild top or open top g20? I'm still waiting since april for mine and all I get out of lonewolf is "I don't know when..or why it is taking so long..."
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Old 09-11-2012, 22:00   #31
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I have one of each on order, the open top apparently was what was shipped (still out of town but my son says a box arrived). I'll be home tomorrow and hope to get a couple hundred rounds through it by sunday.
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Old 09-12-2012, 16:50   #32
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They put it in a small shipping box with your info on it, and see if it comes back.
LOL. The "let's see" method. hehe
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Old 09-16-2012, 19:09   #33
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250 rounds today - 200 PPUs and 50 underwoods. The PPUs fed perfectly.. the Underwoods would jam with boring regularity on the second to last shot.

Measured both rounds, they are nearly identical externally, with the PPU rounds having rounder shape to them. Also the underwoods seem to have more of an edge where the case meets the bullet.

Here's some pictures of the typical jam.. this is on feeding, not extraction

The 10 Ring

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Tried stock recoil spring as well at 24lb, didn't make any difference.

So.. I tried something else, and it worked. I loaded 10 rounds of PPU ammo, and then 5 of the underwoods on top of it. All 15 fed perfectly. Did that 3 times, no issues. Then tried 5 PPUs with 5 underwoods.. jam.

So, what this tells me, is that I need heavier magazine springs, and possible a slight polish on the edge of the feedramp. Thoughts?

I'm sending the slide out for milling and cerakote tomorrow
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Old 09-16-2012, 20:13   #34
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polish your chamber and this should go away. simple buffing compound and dremel hard felt tip operation and five minutes.

I sort that out before I sent it off.
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Old 09-16-2012, 20:36   #35
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250 rounds today - 200 PPUs and 50 underwoods. The PPUs fed perfectly.. the Underwoods would jam with boring regularity on the second to last shot.
This sounds like your typical too-tight-chamber-mouth situation with hot ammo. The reason why your having jams on 2nd to last or last round is because the pistol is lighter by then (ammo having been fired) and the pistol now recoils more, allowing the frame to "jar" more and inhibiting feeding. The chamber mouth being tight contributes to this.

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Measured both rounds, they are nearly identical externally, with the PPU rounds having rounder shape to them. Also the underwoods seem to have more of an edge where the case meets the bullet.
To an extent, you WANT a little edge because that's how the 10mm headspaces normally.

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Tried stock recoil spring as well at 24lb, didn't make any difference.
Heavy recoil spring will GENERALLY make your feeding problems worse, as well, since the total TIME that the slide is in rearward (then forward) motion is LESS with a heavier spring.

Anyways, I guess what I'm saying is that, with a little polishing and rounds down the tube (and a bit lighter recoil spring, you should be up and running fine. Good luck and keep us posted!
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Old 09-16-2012, 21:07   #36
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Thanks for the input guys, I appreciate it. I'll hold off on buying new mag springs then, polish the edge of the chamber/feedramp and keep my fingers crossed.

I'll give it all a shot after it gets back from milling. With the RMR on there, it could change the timing enough that I might need to start over.. but the important part is that the slide seems to work as it should. That was the whole point of this test.. well that and to do a whole lot of shooting Even with the minor problems and shooting mostly wimpy ammo, this thing is totally badass now.

I wasn't getting jams with the stock slide and this barrel, but I'm guessing with the longer slide, the barrel is ramping slightly differently when its out of battery, just enough to cause problems.
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Thanks for the input guys, I appreciate it. I'll hold off on buying new mag springs then, polish the edge of the chamber/feedramp and keep my fingers crossed.

I'll give it all a shot after it gets back from milling. With the RMR on there, it could change the timing enough that I might need to start over.. but the important part is that the slide seems to work as it should. That was the whole point of this test.. well that and to do a whole lot of shooting Even with the minor problems and shooting mostly wimpy ammo, this thing is totally badass now.

I wasn't getting jams with the stock slide and this barrel, but I'm guessing with the longer slide, the barrel is ramping slightly differently when its out of battery, just enough to cause problems.

Also, I don't think heavier mag springs would ever hurt a pistol ... but that's up to your thumbs.

Just remember that your slide will need a bit of shooting to get smooth in the rail-area...
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Old 09-24-2012, 20:43   #38
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What I found interesting is 10 round mags did well no FTF but higher capacity had many FTF. My setup is Lone Wolf with comp. the 10 round is what I have to use for hunting according to regs so no big deal. Tight chamber but it is obnoxiously accurate. Primarily a hunting setup. Next step is to polish the chamber with 1500 grit al oxide lapping compound and felt dremel. I already polished the slide with the same it is smooth as a babies bottom. This gun is so accurate with anything but recent tests show accuracy with hard cast heavy lead bullets is exceptional.

Test? I bet they have QC dimensions are the key, and If they are within spec they are a "go", to say otherwise without first hand evidence is presumptuous and irresponsible. Now if you have first hand evidence then...................
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Old 09-26-2012, 20:42   #39
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Slides back from Mark, record time as far as I'm concerned

However, my rmr died. So its going back to trijicon tomorrow under warranty. And Wolff springs sent me browning high power 5% springs instead of glock 20 10% springs (sent new ones out same day with an apology.... it happens and they are making it right so good on them).

So here's a pic of my milled/coated slide and dead rmr...

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Old 09-27-2012, 18:28   #40
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Not trying to hijack but maybe someone could answer this for me; Is there any difference between the open top and the solid top long slides (other than the obvious differences)for the G20? Why does LW have ample of one and always backordered for the other? Is the solid the preferred slide?
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Old 09-27-2012, 19:21   #41
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Not trying to hijack but maybe someone could answer this for me; Is there any difference between the open top and the solid top long slides (other than the obvious differences)for the G20? Why does LW have ample of one and always backordered for the other? Is the solid the preferred slide?
I believe that LW's longslides were designed to be open-top because they were supposedly more reliable. Whether or not this is actually the case, I do not know. The solid top slides, on the other hand, offer more mass for effectively delaying unlock while shooting powerful loads. When I had a longslide G20 back in the day, I had a solid top (it was a slightly different design than the LW's) and I liked it a lot. If I were to order one from LW someday I'd most certainly choose a solid top.

As for which is more popular, LW would know.
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Old 10-06-2012, 10:12   #42
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Made it to the range yesterday, with the polished chamber and correct wolff may springs. Left one mag spring stock as well, to see if the polished chamber was enough.

It was, as most of you predicted. Both mags fed with no issues sticking with the 24lb recoil spring... it works, so no reason to change.

So just need to get my rmr back from warranty, sell the stock slide and barrel (anybody looking for one?) And I'll bet set for my long range needs!
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Old 10-06-2012, 19:34   #43
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That's good news. I have been shooting a pile of 200 grain WFN hard cast in my LW long slide. They feed like butter.

I would keep the stock stuff or you will regret it at some point.

I switch out my hunting setup for stock when using the gun just for woods walking and concealed carrying.
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Old 10-07-2012, 09:58   #44
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It's unlikely I'll regret it honestly (its up in the classifieds right now).

I don't wander the woods, I'm either at the range, or carrying concealed. I won't ever use a glock 20 for concealed (I have a glock 27 for that). I have an advantage arms kit for a glock 19 for plinking. Different tools for different jobs.

This longslide project was mostly done for the cool factor. Bragging rights when I shoot pop cans stupid long ranges. Deer hunting next year. You know.. fun stuff
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Old 12-14-2013, 09:20   #45
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Thought I'd give a 1 year update on this project - everything has been working great! I don't see much activity about 10mm longslides anymore though, was it a fad?
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Thought I'd give a 1 year update on this project - everything has been working great! I don't see much activity about 10mm longslides anymore though, was it a fad?
I don't know that it was a "fad" but just that many couldn't afford one (I, for one, had one long ago and sold it, among other things, to fund a different 10mm) and now I own a 6" 1911 Fusion 10mm longslide. So, while I might not post about it here in the "Glock" longslide thread, I still shoot it often and love it dearly
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Old 12-14-2013, 22:13   #47
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Thought I'd give a 1 year update on this project - everything has been working great! I don't see much activity about 10mm longslides anymore though, was it a fad?
I finally built a 10mm longslide earlier last month. Did you have any sort of accuracy issues at first with your setup? Was there a break-in period for yours?

I took mine to the range yesterday, and was shooting left. Adjusted my sights, and just could not hit in the 10 ring. I know I'm not the best of shots, but I regularly shoot accurately with the stock upper, which I put on for carry. I built my longslide for hunting.

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Old 12-14-2013, 22:36   #48
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no, sorry never had any issues with accuracy. functioning at first sure, but got that worked out.

I haven't shot mine all that much really, my dad and I haven't been to the range more than half a dozen times in the last 6 months. just been any too busy with life :(
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Thank you for the quick reply. Guess I'll keep putting some rounds through it, and see if it smooths out.
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Nah, not a fad. I just ordered the 9" barrel...
Unfortunately LW lacks a corresponding longslide for this barrel so far...

While I do shoot GSSF, it ain't for that, its strictly for hunting.
Hog and Whitetail deer, mostly at Eglin AFB...
The stock length has been fine for bowshot-range hits,
but I want more FPS and a longer slide for better aiming.
The harder you can smack a hog, the better
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