[JuneyBooney]

Originally Posted by mikeflys1

Yea lemme tell you, New England is rough.

If you have a liberal state it will be higher crime than a conservative state. Look at Maryland vs Virginia. I won't get into the race issue but that could be argued as well. Which parts of "New England" are you speaking?

[JuneyBooney]

Originally Posted by 8-Ball

Not at all.

The most populated cities in the states are full of crime and liberals. It's actually the opposite of your post, in my state at least, whereas the majority of the state itself has low crime and is full of conservative ways, but the liberal s--t hole cities are more populated, thus they have more voters.

I agree on that to a degree. In Va the Northern Va part could be considered to be liberal a..wipes...More money though and more crime..wait..that is what I said in my op... But most of the state is good.

[kylenewman]

I was in Dennis Mass a few months ago which is liberal central and I couldn't enjoy myself as I was continuously dodging gun fire. It was a public beach and there were even minorities

[Cali-Glock]

Originally Posted by JuneyBooney

The real difference between Conservative States and Liberal States in America is this.....In a Liberal State the state is crime laden and there are few nice places. In a Conservative State there are many nice places and a few bad places.

Do you guys agree?

Urban California is a liberal crime filled cesspool. But geographically most of California is rural, conservative and beautiful.

The irony is that in the urban crime filled counties you can't get a CCW, but in most of the safe, crime free rural counties CCWs are easy to obtain.

[mikeflys1]

Originally Posted by eruby

A liberal State is just a conservative State that hasn't been mugged yet.

Haven't you seen the chart of federal tax dollars in vs. out by state? The "liberal" states are continually being mugged to support the "conservative" ones.

[series1811]

I've lived in liberal and conservative states. You want to know the real difference? It's attitude. Exactly the same as the differences between conservative and liberal members on this board.

It's a completely different way of looking at everything.

[devildog2067]

Originally Posted by JuneyBooney

If you have a liberal state it will be higher crime than a conservative state.

As I already pointed out in this thread, that is simply not true.

Originally Posted by devildog2067

Alaska, which is pretty much as "conservative" as states get by the definition I think you meant, had a per-capita violent crime rate 40% higher than the national average. New Hampshire's crime rate is 65% lower than the national average, and it's a very liberal state.

[Dennis in MA]

Originally Posted by kylenewman

I was in Dennis Mass a few months ago which is liberal central and I couldn't enjoy myself as I was continuously dodging gun fire. It was a public beach and there were even minorities

Hey. I'm Dennis in MA! Lol. (I'm actually in Harwich right now. Lol)


I'll tell you the real difference. Conservative states want all the consevative people to live ther, making fewer and fewer truly conservative states.

Liberal states export people to neighboring conservative states to set up beachheads and change voting preferences.

Their plan is long term and works. And all of you who say, "move out of those liberal places" are only doing our cause more harm by your protectionist practices.

[devildog2067]

Originally Posted by JuneyBooney

If you have a liberal state it will be higher crime than a conservative state.

This statement irritated me enough that I actually decided to go count.

I looked at 2008's FBI UCR* statistics for violent crime (rates of violent crime per 100,000 people). I then compared against the list of states whose electoral votes went to Obama in 2008.

Your statement is wrong. Only 21 states are both "conservative" (went to McCain) and have crime rates lower than the national average.

Here's the complete list, divided into 4 categories.

States that voted Republican in 2008 AND have higher crime rates than the national average:

Alaska 654.4
Arizona 478.6
Arkansas 516.4
Georgia 496.1
Louisiana 658.4
Missouri 505.2
Oklahoma 539.7
South Carolina 726.2
Tennessee 721.6
Texas 508.2

States that voted Republican in 2008 AND have lower crime rates than the national average:

Alabama 465.7
Idaho 239.3
Kansas 415.1
Kentucky 306.6
Mississippi 328.7
Montana 302.0
Nebraska 323.3
North Dakota 200.5
South Dakota 300.6
Utah 225.6
West Virginia 300.4
Wyoming 245.5

States that voted Democratic in 2008 AND have higher crime rates than the national average:

California 503.8
Delaware 708.6
Florida 688.9
Illinois 560.0
Maryland 628.2
Michigan 522.2
Nevada 727.5
New Mexico 670.6
North Carolina 486.6

States that voted Democratic in 2008 AND have lower crime rates than the national average:

Colorado 344.1
Connecticut 306.7
Hawaii 272.5
Indiana 375.5
Iowa 298.2
Maine 119.4
Massachusetts 466.2
Minnesota 200.0
New Hampshire 166.0
New Jersey 326.1
New York 401.8
Ohio 385.1
Oregon 265.0
Pennsylvania 417.0
Rhode Island 252.8
Vermont 140.8
Virginia 258.1
Washington 332.1
Wisconsin 276.9


Notice that the largest group is the group of states that lean left AND have low crime rates.


(*UCR statistics are not available for Illinois or Minnesota in 2008. I looked at the state's published statistics instead. Illinois' crime rate is higher than the average by about 20%, and Minnesota's is lower by about 50%. Both went Democrat in the 2008 election.)

[moeman]

I don't agree-- "consevative/republican states have bads stats on crime and haiving thier hands out;

Crime 2010:
No. 1: NEVADA
Assault: 8
Burglary: 12
Murder: 13
Motor Vehicle Theft: 1
Rape: 8
Robbery: 1

No. 2: NEW MEXICO
Assault: 5
Burglary: 3
Murder: 6
Motor Vehicle Theft: 7
Rape: 2
Robbery: 23

No. 3: LOUISIANA
Assault: 4
Burglary: 9
Murder: 1
Motor Vehicle Theft: 14
Rape: 33
Robbery: 18

No. 4: SOUTH CAROLINA
Assault: 1
Burglary: 8
Murder: 7
Motor Vehicle Theft: 9
Rape: 13
Robbery: 16

No. 5: TENNESSEE
Assault: 2
Burglary: 5
Murder: 8
Motor Vehicle Theft: 15
Rape: 19
Robbery: 8

No. 6: FLORIDA
Assault: 6
Burglary: 7
Murder: 12
Motor Vehicle Theft: 13
Rape: 23
Robbery: 4

No. 7: DELAWARE
Assault: 7
Burglary: 18
Murder: 10
Motor Vehicle Theft: 19
Rape: 9
Robbery: 3

No. 8: MARYLAND
Assault: 10
Burglary: 23
Murder: 2
Motor Vehicle Theft: 4
Rape: 45
Robbery: 2

No. 9: ARIZONA
Assault: 21
Burglary: 15
Murder: 13
Motor Vehicle Theft: 2
Rape: 39
Robbery: 15

No. 10: ARKANSAS
Assault: 11
Burglary: 2
Murder: 18
Motor Vehicle Theft: 32
Rape: 4
Robbery: 28

No. 11: ALABAMA
Assault: 22
Burglary: 4
Murder: 5
Motor Vehicle Theft: 21
Rape: 16
Robbery: 11

No. 12: GEORGIA
Assault: 20
Burglary: 6
Murder: 8
Motor Vehicle Theft: 6
Rape: 42
Robbery: 7

No. 13: OKLAHOMA
Assault: 9
Burglary: 10
Murder: 16
Motor Vehicle Theft: 18
Rape: 10
Robbery: 26

No. 14: ALASKA
Assault: 3
Burglary: 39
Murder: 28
Motor Vehicle Theft: 29
Rape: 1
Robbery: 30

No. 15: CALIFORNIA
Assault: 18
Burglary: 25
Murder: 16
Motor Vehicle Theft: 3
Rape: 41
Robbery: 5



Money:

Stat is a little old but it still rings true: "Of the 32 states which receive more than they contribute, 27 states (84%) are REPUBLICAN. Of the 18 states which contribute more than they receive, 14 states (78%) are DEMOCRATIC."

[series1811]

Originally Posted by Dennis in MA

Hey. I'm Dennis in MA! Lol. (I'm actually in Harwich right now. Lol)


I'll tell you the real difference. Conservative states want all the consevative people to live ther, making fewer and fewer truly conservative states.

Liberal states export people to neighboring conservative states to set up beachheads and change voting preferences.

Their plan is long term and works. And all of you who say, "move out of those liberal places" are only doing our cause more harm by your protectionist practices.

That's a good point. And, proven by the fact that Florida is now in play for the liberals. When I lived there, I think there were more New Yorkers and New Jerseyites in Florida, than in the states they came from.

Forty years ago, when I used to go there to visit my relatives, it was as conservative as Alabama.

[tous]

Originally Posted by devildog2067

They do, although they're not at the top of the rankings by any means. Miami and Baltimore are quite high (according to the 2010 FBI UCR numbers) but Memphis, St. Louis, Oakland, and Detroit are higher.

Oddly (I was surprised, at any rate, when I looked) New Orleans and Dallas have fairly low crime rates compared to the worst offenders, with rates roughly half of Memphis. Still substantially higher than the national average, of course, but I was surprised to see they were that low.

The Dalls/Forth Worth area has a low crime rate because all of the criminals are stuck in traffic.

[The Maggy]

Oklahoma is a very conservative state, it's crime rate is above the national average and has one of the highest incarceration rates in the country.

It seems by your reasoning, conservatives love them some meth and wife beating.

[Dennis in MA]

Yup. Listen to NH Trucker. He'll tell you of all the mass shoals who go to NH and try and make it MA II.

The stars you quote aren't relative, DD. sure, some of those conservative states have high crime. But look at how many have high Mexican influx problems. Like Texas. And the Dakotas. And Alaska. Lol. (in before the "it's the Mexicans fault'ers)

[Flying-Dutchman]

A “Conservative State” is one where at least 51% of the population is conservative meaning there are a lot of Liberals in every State.

And that is the way it must be.

Liberals hate Conservatives but they love to live around them as someone’s got to pay for their rules, regulations and taxes.

Socialism works until you run out of other people’s money as Margaret Thatcher used to say.

[googanelli]

A much better correlation is crime vs poverty rate. Typically speaking, there will be mroe poor folks per capita in larger population bases. That is also why a lot of these areas vote liberal or democrat. A LOT of the policies of the Democratic party are based on supporting the lower income people.

Something I have said for a long time is that neither of the two major parties are truely for the people. The Republicans are for big buisness and Democrats are for big government. I heard during the debates the other day Trickle Down Government for democrats and Trickle down economics for Republicans. Neither really work.


What I like in a party when it comes to crime is solid punishments for committing crimes and the party supporting legislation that allows me to protect myself from crime.

Joe

[series1811]

Originally Posted by tous

The Dalls/Forth Worth area has a low crime rate because all of the criminals are stuck in traffic.

You must be referring to that giant parking lot known as I-30.