PSA: Lone Wolf barrels - Page 17

PhotoFeller · 10-05-2012, 04:48

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Originally Posted by DoctaGlockta

Email today:

Thank you for your order.

Lone Wolf Distributors

Its only been 6 months

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My LWD 40/9 barrel just arrived too, after a three or four week back order wait. My Storm Lake barrel just came in as well, after a back order wait. Extraordinary demand for these great barrels decimated inventories and caused the back order situation.

We are so accustomed to instant turnaround that having to wait for something, anything, drives us nuts. In the final analysis, it was worth the wait and I'm thankful we have access to accessories like LWD and SL barrels in the good ole USA. Aren't you?

Colorado4Wheel · 10-05-2012, 06:39

You gotta wonder what they did in the past to custom chamber a barrel. They have offered this service for years but all of a sudden it now required a special part that they didn't have. What were they doing before when you sent a barrel in?

WiskyT · 10-05-2012, 06:40

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Originally Posted by PhotoFeller

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My LWD 40/9 barrel just arrived too, after a three or four week back order wait. My Storm Lake barrel just came in as well, after a back order wait. Extraordinary demand for these great barrels decimated inventories and caused the back order situation.

We are so accustomed to instant turnaround that having to wait for something, anything, drives us nuts. In the final analysis, it was worth the wait and I'm thankful we have access to accessories like LWD and SL barrels in the good ole USA. Aren't you?

It sounds to me that he is having capital issues. He imports the barrels BTW, so it's a little funny that you are wrapping all of this in the flag. The supplier he gets them from needs to be paid by LWD before he is going to ship them out. This is a very common problem with businesses like this. Many ammo companies take peoples' money and hold it for months before shipping the order while claiming "supply problems". So the wonderful JR processes peoples' orders and then ships them months later. If they don't like it, they are "trolls" or unpatriotic.

WiskyT · 10-05-2012, 06:49

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Originally Posted by Colorado4Wheel

You gotta wonder what they did in the past to custom chamber a barrel. They have offered this service for years but all of a sudden it now required a special part that they didn't have. What were they doing before when you sent a barrel in?

Well capitalized businesses rarely have problems like this. Where I work, we had plenty of everything until the banking crisis hit the fan in '08. We worked at a steady pace year round building inventory for our busy season. Come the banking crisis, we couldn't get the short term loans to build inventory and it caused problems delivering our finished product. We would lay around, encouraged to burn vacation time, during the slow season while are raw materials bins were empty and our production lines sat idle. Once the busy season came around and cash started flowing in, we had money to produce and had to work like animals to catch up. Our office people were going crazy trying to satisfy our customers with product we didn't have yet, but would have "soon".

The owner of the company has since sold our company since it was profitable over-all and he wanted to retire anyway. The bigger company that owns us now has it's own internal financing and we are back to working at a steady, year-round pace and our customers are happy again.

Through all of this our demand was never the issue as some have suggested regarding LWD.

Colorado4Wheel · 10-05-2012, 07:00

My question has nothing to do with inventory or capital. You either can rechamber a barrel or you can't. Just wondering why all of a sudden LW needed this custom part when they say they have been offering this service for years. What did they do before?

WiskyT · 10-05-2012, 07:03

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Originally Posted by Colorado4Wheel

My question has nothing to do with inventory or capital. You either can rechamber a barrel or you can't. Just wondering why all of a sudden LW needed this custom part when they say they have been offering this service for years. What did they do before?

Yes it can if they are too broke to be able to buy new reamers from ones that get worn, if they had to lay-off their machinists and now have to send your barrel out to another shop that expects to get paid, or if they have fewer staff to handle the problems.

I could see JR's ****ty attitude being a by-product of a poorly performing business.

PhotoFeller · 10-05-2012, 07:13

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Originally Posted by WiskyT

It sounds to me that he is having capital issues. He imports the barrels BTW, so it's a little funny that you are wrapping all of this in the flag. The supplier he gets them from needs to be paid by LWD before he is going to ship them out. This is a very common problem with businesses like this. Many ammo companies take peoples' money and hold it for months before shipping the order while claiming "supply problems". So the wonderful JR processes peoples' orders and then ships them months later. If they don't like it, they are "trolls" or unpatriotic.

Maybe I was wrong about the back-order cause, but Storm Lake was having the same problem. I've heard LWD barrels are foreign made, and some here speculated that political unrest might explain the 'shortage'. Yes, lack of capital might be LWD's problem, but I've never heard they are struggling financially. Who knows? Who cares?

My comment about the availability of accessories in the "good ole USA" meant only what it said: We are fortunate to live in a country where such purchases can be made freely. At least I'm greatful for that freedom.

WiskyT · 10-05-2012, 11:05

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Originally Posted by PhotoFeller

Maybe I was wrong about the back-order cause, but Storm Lake was having the same problem. I've heard LWD barrels are foreign made, and some here speculated that political unrest might explain the 'shortage'. Yes, lack of capital might be LWD's problem, but I've never heard they are struggling financially. Who knows? Who cares?

My comment about the availability of accessories in the "good ole USA" meant only what it said: We are fortunate to live in a country where such purchases can be made freely. At least I'm greatful for that freedom.

I don't know that you're wrong, I could be the one that's wrong. What I do know is that if JR was doing so much business that he couldn't keep up with demand, he would be telling his cutomers how much he appreciates their interest in his products, and to please be patient. Instead he comes on the internet and insults people. His conduct is indicative of a guy who is frustrated. In this economic slow down, it wouldn't be hard at all to get the chicoms or Koreans that make his barrels to increase output. They'd be glad to do it. But, they expect to get paid for it.

Back about eight years ago, you just couldn't get enough concrete. There was a world-wide building boom going on and the chicoms would simply buy up any increase in cement production to build their Olympic city. That would be a case of demand simply outstripping any attempt to keep up. But in this economy? The chicom economy is sluggish at best and that country would be glad to make more barrels. They have the people, machines, and materials just laying around and the chicom government is deathly afraid of unemployment.

ilgunguygt · 10-05-2012, 12:43

Wow, this thread really took off! I had two lone wolf barrels, one would not feed factory ammo(jacketed). I was displeased and said that I would never buy another product from them.

After reading this I can honestly say that if I was standing in hell next to JR I wouldnt buy ice water from him. What a crappy attitude and poor customer service, all the way around.

And JR, if you really believe that these five guys here are the only ones with problems, you are a fool. Its all over the net, tons of people. Most just dont want to bother with you, and reading this thread, its obvious why.

PhotoFeller · 10-05-2012, 22:51

Sorry, I don't get it. Why all the fury rainin' down on JR (whoever he is) and LWD?

My new barrel seems well made. It was the least expensive. I've read lots of positive reviews about LWD products and customer service.

ilgunguygt · 10-06-2012, 00:00

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Originally Posted by PhotoFeller

Sorry, I don't get it. Why all the fury rainin' down on JR (whoever he is) and LWD?

My new barrel seems well made. It was the least expensive. I've read lots of positive reviews about LWD products and customer service.

Did you read the thread?

Lone wolf barrells have a long history of being cut too tight to work well. This isnt something unique to glocktalk and only five people as JR has argued here. This is known all over.

JR also has a crappy attitude, and if you read this thread, you would see that.

Colorado4Wheel · 10-06-2012, 00:33

The true character of a company is best evident through what they do when something goes wrong with their product. Not when everything is going well. You want a company that treats you right through the bad times as well as the good..

WiskyT · 10-06-2012, 05:55

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Originally Posted by Colorado4Wheel

The true character of a company is best evident through what they do when something goes wrong with their product. Not when everything is going well. You want a company that treats you right through the bad times as well as the good..

But I still don't understand. Why does everyone pick on JR?

Colorado4Wheel · 10-06-2012, 07:11

GT Hole.

ilgunguygt · 10-06-2012, 23:31

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Originally Posted by Colorado4Wheel

GT Hole.

I thought JR was the GT Hole? Oh, wait thats A-Hole!

JR · 10-08-2012, 13:08

WiskyT: You are an ignorant fool speaking grandiose things regarding my business. LWD is very successful, financially secure and an excellent place to work. All 19 of my employees are paid real living wages. They and their families enjoy health benefits that cover medical, dental and vision at no cost. We have paid vacations, sick leave and much, much more. Your disparaging comments towards our financial status or capabilities is unacceptable. (posts #403, 404, 406, 408) You should know you can be held responsible for slanderous implications such as these.

Colorado: Is your question (#405) to try to incite ill feelings towards LWD or is there a remote chance you are truly looking for an explanation? I find it hard to believe you are capable of asking a straight forward question but will give you the benefit of the doubt.
In the past we would help a customer with his reloads by offering a rechamber service. All he needed to do was return the barrel and include a few dummy loads. We would use a graduated reamer and incrementally remove material until the cartridge fit. Once we performed this task we would engrave a "C" on the lug so we could identify the barrel as Custom. If the load was on the extreme boundary we would engrave an "X".
This custom service could produce an issue if an unknowing customer purchased this custom chambered barrel on the open market. The new customer would think the barrel chamber tolerances are way off and return the barrel to LWD for replacement. LWD will not warentee a custom barrel chamber because it was taken out of our specifications.
Today we have a new means to satisfy our customers. We are offering our standard chamber and the "GT hole" If your reloads fall outside the standard chamber, which is great for all industry manufactured ammo, we have an acceptable means to control the (custom) issue by introducing the "GT Hole". This chamber is within industry specifications and known to fit the largest majority of reloads.

ilgunguygt: WOW.... (#409 & 415) are you for real? Hell & ice water? You are new to this discussion, you should try to ease into it...... BEFORE going full retard.

My apologies to the hundreds of sane patrons that may read through this clatter and mistake it for anything other than banter. As you can well see, the rebels have breached the gates of sensibleness and need to be slapped back to reality.

WiskyT · 10-08-2012, 13:16

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Originally Posted by JR

WiskyT: You are an ignorant fool speaking grandiose things regarding my business. LWD is very successful, financially secure and an excellent place to work. All 19 of my employees are paid real living wages. They and their families enjoy health benefits that cover medical, dental and vision at no cost. We have paid vacations, sick leave and much, much more. Your disparaging comments towards our financial status or capabilities is unacceptable. (posts #403, 404, 406, 408) You should know you can be held responsible for slanderous implications such as these.

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Please hold me responsible for my statements. I would love to meet the lawyer that would take your case. He would be more ridiculous than you. While you're at it, sue me for calling you stupid too.

JR · 10-08-2012, 13:18

Wisky, you have been in this thread for awhile..... you can go full retard any time you like. I love you man!

Colorado4Wheel · 10-08-2012, 13:43

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Originally Posted by JR

Colorado: Is your question (#405) to try to incite ill feelings towards LWD or is there a remote chance you are truly looking for an explanation? I find it hard to believe you are capable of asking a straight forward question but will give you the benefit of the doubt.
In the past we would help a customer with his reloads by offering a rechamber service. All he needed to do was return the barrel and include a few dummy loads. We would use a graduated reamer and incrementally remove material until the cartridge fit. Once we performed this task we would engrave a "C" on the lug so we could identify the barrel as Custom. If the load was on the extreme boundary we would engrave an "X".

So why did it take 6 months for people to get their barrels?

Why the negativity to people who buy your products and want them to work with Lead Bullets (as you advertise) and then you make sport of them in this thread? Even going to so far as to come up with a derogatory language about the rechamber?

DoctaGlockta · 10-08-2012, 14:12

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JR · 10-08-2012, 14:21

Colorado: It took 6 mos to manufacture all the reamers. Anybody could have had a custom reamed chamber within days had they simply sent sample rounds of their reloads with the barrel. FYI: If somebody happens to tell us to take our best guess then we will always guess on the small size.

Docta: I remember when that video was on the news. I love it! The application fits for sure.

WiskyT · 10-08-2012, 15:26

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Originally Posted by JR

Colorado: It took 6 mos to manufacture all the reamers. Anybody could have had a custom reamed chamber within days had they simply sent sample rounds of their reloads with the barrel. FYI: If somebody happens to tell us to take our best guess then we will always guess on the small size.

Docta: I remember when that video was on the news. I love it! The application fits for sure.

It took six months to get the reamers for what you have standardized on as the "GTHole", but if they sent you assembled rounds, you would have been able to cut them with custom reamers in a shorter period of time? Is that what you are saying?

Before you answer, remember that you use a tapered reamer that can cut a chamber any way you need depending on how far you feed the reamer in. I don't see how that could possibly work since you'd be moving the chamber forward as you go and screwing up the headspace, but that is what you said.

To people who are lucid, none of this will make any sense to you. JR has contradicted himself several times in just a few posts and his exlpanations don't make sense, so don't try to figure this out.

JR · 10-08-2012, 15:58

The majority of reloading issues are centered around a swelled case or bullet profile engaging the leads. We can use one reamer to open the chamber and another to taper the leads. We drop the cartridge into the modified chamber to verify fit (head space).

There you have it, a perfect fit for your home rolled cartridge..... (that nobody else can duplicate). We don't mind providing this service for our customers but as I have pointed out previously, it can create problems when the same barrel enters the used market.

ilgunguygt · 10-08-2012, 21:30

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Originally Posted by JR

ilgunguygt: WOW.... (#409 & 415) are you for real? Hell & ice water? You are new to this discussion, you should try to ease into it...... BEFORE going full retard.

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So now we need your permission to post?

I had two of your barrels, wouldnt take another if it was given to me. My reloads werent the problem either, the second one choked on factory ammo. Then again, you said there was no complaints with the 45s right?

Considering I paid for two of your barrels I think I can say whatever I want to about them, and I did. Your attitde is just another reason to never buy any product you sell.

ilgunguygt · 10-08-2012, 21:33

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Originally Posted by Colorado4Wheel

So why did it take 6 months for people to get their barrels?

Why the negativity to people who buy your products and want them to work with Lead Bullets (as you advertise) and then you make sport of them in this thread? Even going to so far as to come up with a derogatory language about the rechamber?

Because he is a piss poor example of a business man. I dont care how long he has been doing it, with customer service skills like that people will stop buying. I like to link this thread anytime I see a conversation about lone wolf. I have talked at least five people out of buying from them and going kkm or storm lake.