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10-04-2012, 17:33
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NYPD pulls you over - you know the drill.
Yeah, play seriously stupid games with ESU out on warrants' arrests and you're going to bag an all expense one way paid trip to Darwin Island.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crim...icle-1.1174664
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10-04-2012, 17:35
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NYPD pulls you over - you know the drill.
Get butt naked?
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10-04-2012, 17:51
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That was a poorly written article. What has happened to journalism?
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10-04-2012, 18:24
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"Note to self",
When being pulled over at five a.m. while speeding, don't reach for my drill, no matter how appropriate it may seem.
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10-04-2012, 18:33
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Completely justified IMO.
And wtf did that last paragraph have to do with anything?
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10-04-2012, 19:08
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I'm not so sure that should be considered a good shoot. Many folks get nervous when stopped by a cop.
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10-04-2012, 19:11
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Alcohol only increases stupidity. That cop asleep in the back seat needs to go.
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There are at least two sides to every story. I just heard yours and, indeed, you appear to be the victim. But I can't stop wondering what the other side has to say. :dunno:
In a gun fight, even doing everything right can still get you killed.
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10-04-2012, 19:17
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should have tea bagged them
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10-04-2012, 19:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Detectorist
I'm not so sure that should be considered a good shoot. Many folks get nervous when stopped by a cop.
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Maybe some people do, but clutching a drill next to you like a security blanket won't ease the nervousness any. Trust me on this one. 
Anyway, of all the things that end up under a car seat, how'd a drill get there? Cord or cordless? Crazy. Crazy. Crazy. And tragic.
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Last edited by Patchman; 10-04-2012 at 19:20..
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10-04-2012, 19:20
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Suicide by cop maybe?
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10-04-2012, 19:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by boozer
"Note to self",
When being pulled over at five a.m. while speeding, don't reach for my drill, no matter how appropriate it may seem.
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A throw down drill?
I think NYC might be paying out some money on this one.
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10-05-2012, 05:46
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Dude runs, refuses to stop, only does so once blocked by another unit, instead of putting hands up reaches for an object under his seat.(last part depending on who you believe) Certainly not the actions of a normal person.
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10-05-2012, 07:31
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I'm seriously doubting he went for the DeWalt after being pulled over by an unmarked car.
Also, worth noting is that a lot of the unmarked cars are foreign made beaters that look nothing like a police car. My father was Queens Narcotics for almost his whole career and drove a Suzuki Grand Vitara for a good part of it.
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10-05-2012, 07:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KalashniKEV
I'm seriously doubting he went for the DeWalt after being pulled over by an unmarked car.
Also, worth noting is that a lot of the unmarked cars are foreign made beaters that look nothing like a police car. My father was Queens Narcotics for almost his whole career and drove a Suzuki Grand Vitara for a good part of it.
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Did you notice it was ESU? They don't do stakeouts they use unmarked to roll up to a house to do a warrant. I don't doubt he reached down for something one bit, hell the drill could have hit his leg when he stopped, we don't know.
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10-05-2012, 07:46
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There's something seriously "wrong" with that entire story.
There's something we're not being told, or somebody's lying?
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10-05-2012, 07:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by m2hmghb
Did you notice it was ESU? They don't do stakeouts they use unmarked to roll up to a house to do a warrant. I don't doubt he reached down for something one bit, hell the drill could have hit his leg when he stopped, we don't know.
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Yeah, noticed that of course. I think that they were probably out of their lane doing a "reckless driving" traffic stop and that's part of what lead to the bad EOF.
After that it's time to get the witness out of the car and off the scene and get creative. Most likely the drill was in the trunk or not in the car at all.
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10-05-2012, 07:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JBnTX
There's something seriously "wrong" with that entire story.
There's something we're not being told, or somebody's lying?
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Unless they can show a jury that the driver was seriously stoned, based upon the article, NYC will be paying.
Who is going to believe a military reservist is going to pull an electric drill from under his seat when being stopped by a emergency services van and a police officer with a gun.
What was the driver thinking he would accomplish with the drill? Pull it out and say to the police "Stop or I'll drill you!" The police then have a good laugh and let him go.
Last edited by PaulMason; 10-05-2012 at 07:54..
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10-05-2012, 07:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulMason
Unless they can show a jury that the driver was seriously stoned, based upon the article, NYC will be paying.
Who is going to believe a military reservist is going to pull an electric drill from under his seat when being stopped by a emergency services van and a police officer with a gun.
What was the driver thinking he would accomplish with the drill? Pull it out and say to the police "Stop or I'll drill you!" The police then have a good laugh and let him go.
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How about Eric Scott, the "squared away West Point military Vet" who was a pain med abuser shot dead at Costco after pulling his concealed carry permit pistol on the cops?
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10-05-2012, 08:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TBO
How about Eric Scott, the "squared away West Point military Vet" who was a pain med abuser shot dead at Costco after pulling his concealed carry permit pistol on the cops?
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Yes, how about Eric Scott? Tell us how the facts in that case relate to what we currently know about the New York case.
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10-05-2012, 08:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulMason
Yes, how about Eric Scott? Tell us how the facts in that case relate to what we currently know about the New York case.
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It's similar in that police gunned down a (in this case, former) member of the military and then went on the record with fraudulent testimony.
http://www.lvrj.com/news/slaying-of-...-98223884.html
The witnesses saw no gun in hand, no gun on the ground. Police destroyed the tapes and said he came out brandishing a gun to cover up a bad EOF.
Later, the pain meds thing was thrown on, because... well... it's something. If it wasn't that it would have been "Suspected Child Pornography" for a GGW or Raven Riley video on his home computer. It is critical to assassinate the victims character in public to chase away any potential supporters seeking justice.
Also the "Coroner's Inquest" proceedings in Las Vegas are a clown court- they have never ever come across a bad shoot since their inception in 1976 after reviewing hundreds of cases.
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10-05-2012, 10:03
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Insufficient information in poorly written story.
Anyone who can decide who was right after reading this article, had it already decided before they began reading.
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10-05-2012, 10:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulMason
Unless they can show a jury that the driver was seriously stoned, based upon the article, NYC will be paying.
Who is going to believe a military reservist is going to pull an electric drill from under his seat when being stopped by a emergency services van and a police officer with a gun.
What was the driver thinking he would accomplish with the drill? Pull it out and say to the police "Stop or I'll drill you!" The police then have a good laugh and let him go.
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The "witness" in the car is partial. She served the driver and the other passenger shots of cognac before they got into the car. I'll bet it didn't stop at just one or two shots of cognac either.
I believe in NY there is law making it unlawful for a bartender to knowingly serve a drunk... much less let him drive.
This same witness also admitted that they were going to pull over but then the traffic opened up and the driver took off again.
Military reservist drinking shots of cognac don't make bad decisions? Hell, even SF qualified, West Pointer full of pain medications makes bad decisions.
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There are at least two sides to every story. I just heard yours and, indeed, you appear to be the victim. But I can't stop wondering what the other side has to say. :dunno:
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10-05-2012, 10:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Patchman
The "witness" in the car is partial. She served the driver and the other passenger shots of cognac before they got into the car. I'll bet it didn't stop at just one or two shots of cognac either.
I believe in NY there is law making it unlawful for a bartender to knowingly serve a drunk... much less let him drive.
This same witness also admitted that they were going to pull over but then the traffic opened up and the driver took off again.
Military reservist drinking shots of cognac don't make bad decisions? Hell, even SF qualified, West Pointer full of pain medications makes bad decisions.
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You're a little of the way there.
NYC will need to convince a jury that the driver somehow was so impaired/hallucinating/paranoid that he thought it was a good idea to reach under his seat and pull out an electric drill against an armed police officer.
That two passengers got in the car with him doesn't make it sound that way.
I think NYC will be paying out some $.
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10-05-2012, 11:19
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Yeah, so what?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mushinto
Insufficient information in poorly written story.
Anyone who can decide who was right after reading this article, had it already decided before they began reading.
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I was on the verge of trying to find out how to post a 3 option poll..
1) I am an idiot and always swear cops are dirty no matter what.
2) I am an idiot and always swear cops are righteous, no matter what.
3) THAT was an article in a real news source? How pitiful.
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10-05-2012, 11:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mushinto
Insufficient information in poorly written story.
Anyone who can decide who was right after reading this article, had it already decided before they began reading.
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I agree. I am still trying to figure out what actually took place in that poorly written story.
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