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09-29-2012, 12:15
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Thanks for the input guys, I think you've swung me back to a RDS, probably a H1 in a DD mount. If it's not going to be variable power, I want it to be light. When I get my money tree grown maybe I'll pick up a TR24 just for fun.
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09-29-2012, 13:19
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Originally Posted by rockapede
Thanks for the input guys, I think you've swung me back to a RDS, probably a H1 in a DD mount. If it's not going to be variable power, I want it to be light. When I get my money tree grown maybe I'll pick up a TR24 just for fun.
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That's a big price hit to save a few oz. I need your part times 
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09-29-2012, 13:48
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I would spend a little more and get the T1 w/LaRue mount, myself.
Good choice going with the RDS though. 
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09-29-2012, 15:25
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Originally Posted by Cole125
I would spend a little more and get the T1 w/LaRue mount, myself.
Good choice going with the RDS though. |
Thought about that, but I really have no need for a throw lever mount with a RDS.
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09-29-2012, 15:27
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Originally Posted by SCSU74
That's a big price hit to save a few oz. I need your part times
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'This true. Cheaper than the TR24 either way though.
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09-29-2012, 15:40
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Unless you're going to be doing a whole bunch of CQB, I'd take a 1-4X leupold or similar low power optic over a RDS everytime.
RDS are great, if you're going to be in a house. As soon as you walk out the front door, they become sub-par to a magnified optic.
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09-29-2012, 17:15
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Patrol officer work is typically inside 50 yards. Seldom 100 yds. Inside that range, where there is a real chance of first on scene and setting up initial perimeter or chance of CQB, I want RDS. If I were Tac, I might want a magnified optic.
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09-29-2012, 17:27
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Maybe in a city, however the op clearly said he was rural
", being rural, it would not be unheard of for a staging point or position to be over 100 yards away on calls like bank alarms, for example, due to several wooded areas, open fields etc."
As I said, outside of a house, a magnified optic quickly shows its advantage over a RDS.
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09-29-2012, 18:27
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Maybe I'll just see if I can find a good deal on a TR24 and, if it doesn't work for me, sell it to fund a RDS. I'll probably take a little bit of a hit, but at least I'll know for sure.
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09-29-2012, 18:44
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Originally Posted by BenjiEDF
With a Red Dot sight you have a long eye relief...
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I don't think you know what eye relief is.
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Originally Posted by AK_Stick
RDS are great, if you're going to be in a house. As soon as you walk out the front door, they become sub-par to a magnified optic.
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The opposite of this.
When you need to get lead on target in a hurry... to save your own life or another's... a magnified optic or an optic with a type of lever on it that allows you to change the power is not going to cut it. (MAYBE a low power ACOG)
The advantage to a magnified optic on a patrol rifle would be mid range target discrimination or observation/surveillance.
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09-29-2012, 18:53
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Originally Posted by KalashniKEV
I don't think you know what eye relief is.
The opposite of this.
When you need to get lead on target in a hurry... to save your own life or another's... a magnified optic or an optic with a type of lever on it that allows you to change the power is not going to cut it. (MAYBE a low power ACOG)
The advantage to a magnified optic on a patrol rifle would be mid range target discrimination or observation/surveillance.
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What you do, is you run it at 1X, and if you need to bump it up, you do so when the situation calls for it.
Its been proven effective technique in both the military/police line of work, and the dangerous game hunting field for decades.
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09-29-2012, 19:00
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I guess a basic question that would put this whole thing to bed is this: is a good variable set to 1x noticeably faster than irons?
I'm confident with irons. I'm effective with irons. I feel like whatever optic I add needs to add significantly to what I can do with iron sights. I know, based on experience, that I'm faster with a RDS. However, if I can also be faster with a variable (although probably not as fast as a RDS), then it would seem to be worth it to get the added magnification as well.
To all who have replied, I don't want to seem like I can't take advice. However, being as this is a relatively large purchase for me, I've gotta make sure I'm getting it right.
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09-29-2012, 19:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rockapede
I guess a basic question that would put this whole thing to bed is this: is a good variable set to 1x noticeably faster than irons?
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Absolutely.
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09-29-2012, 20:00
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Originally Posted by AK_Stick
Absolutely.
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And that's really what it boils down to. Unless someone can dispute this, I'm probably going to do what I mentioned above and get the TR24. I'll know pretty quickly whether it's gonna work for me or not.
Buying anything at all for AR15s makes my head hurt.
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09-29-2012, 20:04
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You won't be wrong getting the TR24. It's a great optic. Just expensive. You should be fine with it.
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09-29-2012, 20:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rockapede
And that's really what it boils down to. Unless someone can dispute this, I'm probably going to do what I mentioned above and get the TR24. I'll know pretty quickly whether it's gonna work for me or not.
Buying anything at all for AR15s makes my head hurt.
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I have a firm grasp of my preferences in every area except magnified optics. Took me a couple of months to settle on a scope for my latest build 
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09-29-2012, 21:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rockapede
And that's really what it boils down to. Unless someone can dispute this, I'm probably going to do what I mentioned above and get the TR24. I'll know pretty quickly whether it's gonna work for me or not.
Buying anything at all for AR15s makes my head hurt.
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Its not that the aimpoint is a bad optic, I just think the magnified optic is better for general use. RDS being better for CQB.
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09-30-2012, 12:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AK_Stick
Its not that the aimpoint is a bad optic, I just think the magnified optic is better for general use. RDS being better for CQB.
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We can't have magnified optics, but can have 3x magnifiers for some reason? So we are pretty limited to Aimpoint or Eotech, makes the choice easy
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09-30-2012, 16:57
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Originally Posted by SCSU74
We can't have magnified optics, but can have 3x magnifiers for some reason? So we are pretty limited to Aimpoint or Eotech, makes the choice easy |
Coaxial alignment, durability, FOV, operator considerations...
Sounds like somebody in your department is squared the "F" away...
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09-30-2012, 21:50
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Originally Posted by KalashniKEV
Coaxial alignment, durability, FOV, operator considerations...
Sounds like somebody in your department is squared the "F" away...
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Haha I trust them, I just email them when considering a purchase and they always point me in the right direction
Sent from my iPhone... which probably auto-corrected something wrong
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10-02-2012, 23:22
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I have three configs for patrol.
7.5" plus an EOTech.
14.5" EOTech and G23FTS
14.5" plus a Nikon P223
Right now, its setup 7.5/EXPS 3-0 with my other upper setup ready to go.
Pretty versatile.
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10-02-2012, 23:33
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Originally Posted by SCSU74
We can't have magnified optics, but can have 3x magnifiers for some reason? So we are pretty limited to Aimpoint or Eotech, makes the choice easy |
Same here. I've had a few guys try and sneak in bull**** optics and I won't approve them. We can't have scopes but a 3x mag for a quality RDS is okay.
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10-02-2012, 23:38
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FYI, Despite what was stated earlier:
3x mag on an EOtech does NOT make the dot bigger. It stays at 1 MOA.
An aimpoint dot DOES get bigger with magnification.
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Last edited by Foxtrotx1; 10-02-2012 at 23:38..
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10-09-2012, 13:53
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Have you looked at a TA-47? I have been lusting for one for some time. It seems to be an often overlooked option.
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10-09-2012, 13:58
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Originally Posted by Foxtrotx1
FYI, Despite what was stated earlier:
3x mag on an EOtech does NOT make the dot bigger. It stays at 1 MOA.
An aimpoint dot DOES get bigger with magnification.
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Technically, if what you're saying is true (I've never paid attention before), an Eotech dot becomes 1/2 MOA while the Aimpoint dot stays 2 MOA.
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