[Ruble Noon]

Originally Posted by hamster

If Mitt Romney loses because the RNC keeps putting up turd candidates, I'm sure half of GT will be blaming Ron Paul instead of the RNC leadership.

How true.

[mgs]

Originally Posted by goaltender66

actually, in 2010 they were elected precisely to stop obama from enacting his anti-growth wish list...among which was obamacare.

After all, that's what the overriding theme of the midterms was. Heck, scott brown owes his seat to this very sentiment.



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spot on!!!!!!

[KalashniKEV]

Originally Posted by Bilbo Bagins

He will also definately lose VA because of multiple factors including cuts in the military.

I don't know... we're very "swingy" over here right now... at least one of the traditionally blue areas of VA has grown quite a bit over the last 4 years and the vast majority are in favor of big government.

I don't know which way VA will go, and I live here!

Originally Posted by Bilbo Bagins

In Florida, Obama has lost a lot of the Jewish and Hispanic vote.

For all the bending over and tribute paid to Israel, Jews will never vote Republican. That is a fact.

No Hispanic will vote for Mittens over Obama.

Originally Posted by Bilbo Bagins

Massachusetts - Romney is the Ex Governor of MA

That was when he was a liberal. The people there vote liberal.

Now that the GOP has shook up his etch-a-sketch, he will not get any votes there.

Originally Posted by Bilbo Bagins

Also military spend cuts will affect Boeing Helicopter and Lochheed Martin which are based in the Philly suburbs.

Military spending will go down drastically under either president. We're packing it in and going home.

Originally Posted by Bilbo Bagins

NJ - Chris Christie is slowly turning NJ voters to Republicans. The years of Democrat rule has really screwed up that state. I think its a real real long shot, but it could happen.

OMGosh... let me hit some of that good stuff, brothaman!

Originally Posted by Bilbo Bagins

WI - Its like no one has noticed what has been going on in Wisconsin politics since 2010. You have the Scott Walker thing and Paul Ryan is a congressman from WI. WI is in play.

I thought Wisconsin was the capital of Wyoming?

Are those really BOTH states???

[camelotkid]

Karl Rove has his political map on Fox News at 277 Obama and 191 Romney and that is with 5 swing states yet to be filled in.

[harlenm]

Originally Posted by Bilbo Bagins

This is also the first presidential election with the new Voter ID law.

Law was just shot down.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...d-requirement/

[tantrix]

Originally Posted by hamster

If Mitt Romney loses because the RNC keeps putting up turd candidates, I'm sure half of GT will be blaming Ron Paul instead of the RNC leadership.

Yep...it will be the 3rd party voters that get the blame if Romney loses, not the GOP for nominating a loser. Except you're a little off...it will be more like 3/4 of GT that will blame Ron Paul.

[SC Tiger]

Originally Posted by Drilled

Would it not be a numbers thing? There are twenty some million Evangelicals in this country.

It pulled GWB out in 2004.

I would bet you he already has the Evangelical vote, even if they themselves don't know it yet. Most (if not all) Evangelicals I know (including myself) would vote for Morris the Cat before Obama.

I don't consider Mormonism to be a "cult." They are a little different in some areas but, near as I can tell, Romney only has one wife.

Here is what people have to figure out - we are going to get stuck with one of these two. Some issues are screwed either way - among them firearms.

Pick the cleanest turd and vote for it.

[davetron]

You have to understand that the mainstream press is TOTALLY in Obama's pocket and is going to slant everything through that viewpoint. I mean think about it Bush had been in the white house when all this crap happened in Libya the press would have been calling for his head but Obama gets a free pass. I think Obama is in trouble and he knows it that's why they are working so hard at trying to make it seems like it's a foregone conclusion. For example, I saw a poll just this week that said 49% of people in Ohio disapproved of the job Obams was doing but the same poll had him up 48%-45% That doesnt make sense in the realm of statistics and mathmatics. The answer is simple, they are fudging the numbers and over-sampling Obama supporters by anywhere from 5-10% and it's STILL a dead heat! Remeber the 2010 elections the press had the dems pickup up a few net seats and they got pounded. I know one thing, if he does end up getting re-elected were F--ked!

[Restless28]

Originally Posted by tantrix

Yep...it will be the 3rd party voters that get the blame if Romney loses, not the GOP for nominating a loser. Except you're a little off...it will be more like 3/4 of GT that will blame Ron Paul.

True. 3/4 of GT have been drinking the GOP Kool-Aid and already spewing hate upon anyone who isn't in lockstep with Romney or their ideals. There is no reasonable debate here anymore. The insults and personal attacks flow freely from them towards any opposition to their ideas. Some of them shut down debate with hate just to spite dissenting opinions.

We have some real winners here.

[Bilbo Bagins]

Originally Posted by KalashniKEV

I don't know... we're very "swingy" over here right now... at least one of the traditionally blue areas of VA has grown quite a bit over the last 4 years and the vast majority are in favor of big government.

I don't know which way VA will go, and I live here!

I agree, but 2008 was the first time VA went Democrat since 1964. Can Obama hold that state? Who knows.

Originally Posted by KalashniKEV

For all the bending over and tribute paid to Israel, Jews will never vote Republican. That is a fact.

Obama is lossing the Jewish vote in Florida. Some liberal Jew may never vote Republican, but some might not show up like they did in 2008

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/201...ick-greenspahn

Originally Posted by KalashniKEV

No Hispanic will vote for Mittens over Obama.

This is not directed at you Kev but at Obama from the Hispanic voters...its immigration stupid

In NV
http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/02/politi...ote/index.html

The Cuban Vote in FL

http://articles.cnn.com/2012-02-01/p..._s=PM:POLITICS

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politic...cle1229616.ece

Again Florida is traditionally Republican, only flipping to Democrat in 1996 and 2008.

Originally Posted by KalashniKEV

That was when he was a liberal. The people there vote liberal.

Now that the GOP has shook up his etch-a-sketch, he will not get any votes there.

Obama and the democrats are losing footing in MA
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/m...achusetts.html

And lets not forgot The Boston Skyline, Who is in the big shiny tower?

Originally Posted by KalashniKEV

Military spending will go down drastically under either president. We're packing it in and going home.

I agree we need to bring our boys home, and I think both will do that. However Romney is promising canceling Obama's planned military budget cuts, bringing back the original 2010 baseline and is pushing for Military modernization and naval shipbuilding.

http://www.mittromney.com/issues/national-defense

This plan was probably the only good thing Reagan did in the 80's, and it help alot in the 90's with the Persian Gulf and Bosina.

Originally Posted by KalashniKEV

OMGosh... let me hit some of that good stuff, brothaman!

Like I said NJ is a long..LONG shot However NJ went red in 1976, 1980, 1984, and 1988. If we are going to have a repeat of Reagan/Carter then its possible.

Originally Posted by KalashniKEV

I thought Wisconsin was the capital of Wyoming?

Are those really BOTH states???

Wyoming has 3 electoral college votes while Virginia has 13. Wisconsin has 10.


Here is something neat to check out. Electoral college maps from 1900 to 2008
http://campaign2012.c-span.org/electoral-college-map

[Bilbo Bagins]

Originally Posted by harlenm

Law was just shot down.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...d-requirement/

Yep, crazy stuff.

The dead will rise and vote twice in PA.

[Grabbrass]

Originally Posted by Restless28

True. 3/4 of GT have been drinking the GOP Kool-Aid and already spewing hate upon anyone who isn't in lockstep with Romney or their ideals. There is no reasonable debate here anymore. The insults and personal attacks flow freely from them towards any opposition to their ideas. Some of them shut down debate with hate just to spite dissenting opinions.

We have some real winners here.

No, there really isn't much to debate anymore, and that's because the nominees are chosen. We're either going to get 4 more years of Obama, or President Romney. Sour grapes over who oughtta be the Republican candidate are pointless now. And voting 3rd party to spite the GOP for their nominee is effectively voting to reelect Obama, much the same as the Perot vote put Clinton in the White House in '92. You either vote for B.H. Obama, W. "mitt" Romney, or I. B. Foolinmyself.

[hamster]

Originally Posted by Grabbrass

No, there really isn't much to debate anymore, and that's because the nominees are chosen. We're either going to get 4 more years of Obama, or President Romney. Sour grapes over who oughtta be the Republican candidate are pointless now. And voting 3rd party to spite the GOP for their nominee is effectively voting to reelect Obama, much the same as the Perot vote put Clinton in the White House in '92. You either vote for B.H. Obama, W. "mitt" Romney, or I. B. Foolinmyself.

Dollars to doughnuts the margin of loss will be greater than the percentage of voters who go 3rd party.

[Bilbo Bagins]

Originally Posted by Grabbrass

No, there really isn't much to debate anymore, and that's because the nominees are chosen. We're either going to get 4 more years of Obama, or President Romney. Sour grapes over who oughtta be the Republican candidate are pointless now. And voting 3rd party to spite the GOP for their nominee is effectively voting to reelect Obama, much the same as the Perot vote put Clinton in the White House in '92. You either vote for B.H. Obama, W. "mitt" Romney, or I. B. Foolinmyself.

Actually Perot at one point was leading in the polls in June 1992 at 39% Perot, 31% Bush, 25% Clinton. Then he went a little loopy and actually bailed out of the race and then re-entered the race due to some alleged blackmail attempt by Bush and the CIA with racy pics of his daughter.

For all the Whackyness of the campaign, Perot is a decent guy. He was spot on that NAFTA would kill American jobs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Perot

[kahoys]

The reason polls are showing Romney behind is because that is what the main stream media wants you to believe. Get out and vote, we can change things one person at a time, the American People are not blind sighted by the present administration. I predict a landslide victory for the new president.

[Glenn E. Meyer]

This is an interesting article by a guy I don't know.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richar...b_1924394.html

It asks where Romney and Obama (no doubt on this one) stand on concealed carry. I would like to see that asked to Willard's face. The American Rifleman interview was a cream puff, soft ball on gun laws - just got Willard to spout cliches.

We won't see that asked though.

[Bilbo Bagins]

Originally Posted by hamster

If Mitt Romney loses because the RNC keeps putting up turd candidates, I'm sure half of GT will be blaming Ron Paul instead of the RNC leadership.

On a side note if Romney loses God help. The GOP will lean HARD right, so much so that the next GOP candidate will make Rick Santorium and Michele Bachmann look like sane moderates.

2016 its going to be Joe Biden vs the GOP's Uber Christian Neo-Con candidate...Either way we will be royally screwed.

[Acujeff]

The debates change everything. It will be the first time voters get to see Romney on an equal Presidential footing with Obama. It may also be the first time Obama gets directly challanged on his awful record as President.

Not surprisingly, the liberal media is projecting low expectations of Obama and high expectations of Romney. The media is prepared to declare Obama the winner of each debate, and outrage at everything Romney says.

Voters will have a chance to see and hear Romney as the positive alternative to the negatives of another 4 years of Obama.

[KalashniKEV]

Originally Posted by Bilbo Bagins

On a side note if Romney loses God help. The GOP will lean HARD right, so much so that the next GOP candidate will make Rick Santorium and Michele Bachmann look like sane moderates.

2016 its going to be Joe Biden vs the GOP's Uber Christian Neo-Con candidate...Either way we will be royally screwed.

You've got-to-be KIDDING ME!!?!

Do you really think they would double down on the crazy next time?

IF they fail to purge the social conservatives and continue along this path, they will have many of their current supporters actively working against them and committed to their demise.

They have no choice but to continue losing or update the platform on social issues.

[Flying-Dutchman]

Originally Posted by Bilbo Bagins

On a side note if Romney loses God help. The GOP will lean HARD right, so much so that the next GOP candidate will make Rick Santorium and Michele Bachmann look like sane moderates.

2016 its going to be Joe Biden vs the GOP's Uber Christian Neo-Con candidate...Either way we will be royally screwed.

No, this election is the Republican’s last real chance to win the Presidency.

The 49% receiving government benefits will go well over 50% under a 2nd Obama term plus with wide open immigration the demographics will spell the Republicans doom.

The Presidency will be decided in the Democrat Primary just like elections are decided in the big cities.

There will be a token Republican candidate maybe even a win with a RINO like Bloomberg but no more conservative wins.

Oh, and the entire Country will be in the same shape and run the same way as the big cities too.

And try to sell a 3rd party Libertarian to the dependent class; good luck with that.

[RDW]

Originally Posted by Restless28

Its been posted before, but its a great illustration of how Romney has been forced upon us. You have Romney or Obama. What a choice.

http://youtu.be/obz1OeUMdqU

There's a Great Choice! Obama is a Socialist/Marxist - Romney IS NOT!

[Providence]

Sorry, I have to say it again: if we get out and vote, we win. I saw the numbers from 2008, but I can't remember the specifics. The repub. vote was down, and the dem. vote was up. In 2010 the repub. vote was up, and the dem. vote was down (generally). I know everyone talks about the independent vote, but I think it may have more to do with which party has people make the effort to actually vote. Don't believe the press. Vote!


Please vote! It's that important!

[Restless28]

It's down to the black Goldman Sachs guy vs the white Goldman Sachs guy.

The lesser of two evils is still evil.

My conscience is clear. I'm voting for Gary Johnson.

You guys do what you think is right. I'll do likewise.

[stooxie]

Originally Posted by KalashniKEV

You've got-to-be KIDDING ME!!?!

Do you really think they would double down on the crazy next time?

IF they fail to purge the social conservatives and continue along this path, they will have many of their current supporters actively working against them and committed to their demise.

They have no choice but to continue losing or update the platform on social issues.

Great thread, I've been wondering myself.

Above, I think, is the crux of the issue. Interesting how many people here are saying Romney isn't conservative enough. Perhaps a matter of semantics, but the social conservatives have destroyed this election. The Republican primary was a circus, a complete 3 ring circus. Mitt Romney wouldn't have had to touch the social issues with a 10 foot pole until all the "real" conservatives had to show how awesome they were. The Republicans-- AGAIN-- have stepped right into the social issue dog mess, allowing the Democrats to take a cheap position of moral superiority.

Honestly, if the Republican party would just STFU about gays and abortion they'd have a victory in November, but no, they have to prove how they are going to legislate morality just like the Democrats. If they would stick to being conservative as it relates to the American government they would be doing great. Instead they have to be hypocrites and stick government down everyone's pants just as they blame the Democrats for doing.

In case anyone starts wondering, I am pretty much Libertarian and hope, like most others here, that Obama gets sent packing. I don't see it happening, though. Obama's message is too syrupy sweet: mana from heaven, milk and honey to the child, bread to the young, oil to the old. Romney is right, 47% of the population has free crap to lose if they vote for Romney. Add women, gays and illegals and you should have plenty to guarantee victory.

In 2004 the election was the Democrats' to lose and, unbelievably, they managed to do it. In 2012 it is the Republicans' race to lose and it looks like they'll manage to do it, too.

I'll gladly listen to all the reasons people have to counter the notion that Obama's gonna get another 4 years, but I dunno, KalashniKEV, I don't see the Republican party getting some kind of a wake up call with regard to social [non] issues. I would bet they do try to cough up a "true hard core" conservative next time thinking that was the problem. I'd love to see Chris Christie in 2016, but he won't be "conservative enough for the base" either. They'll screw that up, too.

-Stooxie

[stooxie]

Originally Posted by Restless28

It's down to the black Goldman Sachs guy vs the white Goldman Sachs guy.

The lesser of two evils is still evil.

My conscience is clear. I'm voting for Gary Johnson.

You guys do what you think is right. I'll do likewise.

Go to www.isidewith.com and fill out the survey. I know tons of people that did it, both thinking they are solidly Democrat or Republican and who did they come up with?

Gary Johnson.

How about Chris Christie in 2016 as a Libertarian? That would be awesome.

-Stooxie