[The Machinist]

Originally Posted by G29Reload

Bit of history for the uninformed:

At this point in 1980, Reagan was behind Carter by a good bit.

How did that turn out?

That was over thirty years ago, and Mittens is not Reagan. Not by a long shot.

[Providence]

I actually think it has little to do with the debates, and more to do with who will get out and vote. If we vote, we win.

But, just for discussion... Just this afternoon, I heard a radio discussion ,among Doctors, about the effects of Obamacare. According this radio discussion, the 716 Billion $ cuts to Medicare are on the payment side of things. According to them, benefits are not cut, only payments to hospitals and Doctors. That is why Drs are refusing to treat Medicare patients. I realize that a segment of people will judge the Drs, and I a certainly not a fan of theirs, but if you can't make a living with Medicare, you have to punt and go where you can make a living. This should be part of the discussion. Not who wins the debate, or who Is smarter, or whatever else people think. Has Obama's policies worked... Except for Obama phones and food stamps.


Please vote! It's that important!

[Restless28]

Originally Posted by Providence

I actually think it has little to do with the debates, and more to do with who will get out and vote. If we vote, we win.

But, just for discussion... Just this afternoon, I heard a radio discussion ,among Doctors, about the effects of Obamacare. According this radio discussion, the 716 Billion $ cuts to Medicare are on the payment side of things. According to them, benefits are not cut, only payments to hospitals and Doctors. That is why Drs are refusing to treat Medicare patients. I realize that a segment of people will judge the Drs, and I a certainly not a fan of theirs, but if you can't make a living with Medicare, you have to punt and go where you can make a living. This should be part of the discussion. Not who wins the debate, or who Is smarter, or whatever else people think. Has Obama's policies worked... Except for Obama phones and food stamps.


Please vote! It's that important!

The majority of doctors that I know live high on the hog and are surely in debt up to their eyeballs after school and their lifestyle.

I don't see them going anywhere. They are looking at the $, not the patients.

[SpoiledBySig]

I just can't see people all going to the voting booths and voting for Obama. Not with this economy, not with this general outlook, not with what's going on in the Middle East.

I truly believe Romney will win. If Obama wins...look out. It'll mean the Lame Steam Media won it for him and everybody who actually voted for him the 2nd time will be in total denial that they voted at all within 2 years. I have siblings who want to work and they say they can't find a job. let alone my teenage kids having any luck in finding a job.

I'm still asking myself about what happened to this, "2010 Recovery Summer" that Obama and Biden were touting about? I knew then that the guy that everybody voted for in 2008 was the wrong guy.

I sure as heck can't control the world, but I will be voting for Romney and so will most of my family members. 2 days ago, two ladies were walking around the neighborhood and knocking on doors, asking people, "Do you think there's anything wrong with the economy today?" They were looking for people to vote for Obama and offering them absentee ballots. I first told them that, "The economy isn't good today" and that, "just seeing people like you walking around knocking on doors is proof that the economy is bad". They refused to offer me an absentee ballot after I told them I support Mitt Romney ( no kidding, this really happened). I was alright by that because I plan on voting in November.

[Trew2Life]

I do not believe Mitt Romney will win this election. Although, the clearly discriminatory and restrictive voter ID laws that have been passed in some key states does give me cause for concern.

Overall, If the country could not accept a 20+ year sitting senator/war veteran/P.O.W., with mamma bear running mate Sarah Palin, then no way do they elect the Mittster.

[taters]

Sad to say but America has been taken down from within.
16trillion in debt
8 1/2 % unemployment
In a war we can't win
And Obama is leading in the polls. That should tell you right there we are done as a nation. Even if Romney wins. There is no hope. I've dropped out.

[KalashniKEV]

Originally Posted by Trew2Life

Overall, If the country could not accept a 20+ year sitting senator/war veteran/P.O.W., with mamma bear running mate Sarah Palin, then no way do they elect the Mittster.

That was a joke ticket.

Mitt's ticket is stronger, but sadly it's still going to be a shutout.

[Restless28]

Originally Posted by KalashniKEV

That was a joke ticket.

Mitt's ticket is stronger, but sadly it's still going to be a shutout.

Agreed.

[Glockworks]

In response to KalashniKEV; I of course meant it from my perspective. If you think I meant it literally, then relax, and take a chill pill.....

McCain ran a weak limp campaign, he muzzled the one good thing he had, Sarah. He lost to a barely qualified candidate whose only qualification was that he was considered black by the US population and can read a teleprompter like 75% of the population. Thus he is a great orator (?), and so smart, though his grades have NEVER been released (hmmm?).

I also remember the 72 and 80 Prez campaigns and they were unexpected landslides, I think this one will be too.

[Trew2Life]

Originally Posted by KalashniKEV

That was a joke ticket.

Mitt's ticket is stronger, but sadly it's still going to be a shutout.

Stronger how? Romney/Ryan does not have nearly the support and energy of the base as did McCain/Palin.

[Hawaiiglock]

Originally Posted by Trew2Life

Stronger how? Romney/Ryan does not have nearly the support and energy of the base as did McCain/Palin.

Here's my arm chair QB on the issue:


I think that Palin scared a lot of people away from the Republican ticket in the last election (I agreed with her on some issues). Not because she is a woman but because she comes off as a few bricks short of a full load. If you go take a look at some of her speeches/interviews you'll see what I mean.

If the Republican's were smart they would have used the Democrats strategy of endorsing Obama (young hip guy, some new blood in Washington) and put Paul Ryan as the front runner. No offense to Mitt but I think, for various reasons, that he lacks the support of younger Republicans and people who are on the fence.

Another issue that seems to be hurting the Republican party is the inability to adapt to some of the major issues that sway voters in the 21st century. Anti abortion/gay rights, heavy religious stance, etc... are all issues that scare potential party backers away.

[JuneyBooney]

If they allow dead people to vote Romney will lose. Otherwise, Romney wins.

[devildog2067]

Originally Posted by Glockworks

McCain ran a weak limp campaign, he muzzled the one good thing he had, Sarah.

Sarah Palin almost made me vote for Obama in 2008. How anyone could think she was a "good" thing is beyond me.

[G29Reload]

Originally Posted by The Machinist

That was over thirty years ago, .

Irrelevant.

Romeny migh tnot be reagan, but zero has carter by a longshot.

[G29Reload]

Originally Posted by devildog2067

Sarah Palin almost made me vote for Obama in 2008. How anyone could think she was a "good" thing is beyond me.

Then a lot of other things are beyond you too.

She was my bet for President. She was better than her running mate.

Unless you're already a lieberal, how could you not want her? She had more executive experience than Obama, had approval ratings in the high 90's, honchoed a natural gas pipeline, cut back her state's debt, ran and acted like a fiscal conservative. Her creds were impeccable.

I have yet to hear anyone utter exactly what was so wrong with her. The only thing I ever heard was a bunch of catty tards who seemed to hate her cause she was beautiful.

The sound of her voice became a little grating after the newness wore off, but that's not a reason to dislike her. She's also turned out to be right about a lot of other things in the intervening period. She's sure got more smarts than Zero, though thats not saying much.

[devildog2067]

Originally Posted by kat1950

This is a much different country than post world war 2 where all Americans were hard working patriotic people

"All Americans" were "hard working patriotic people"?

Are you insane?

"All Americans" have never been anything.

Post WWII America was many things. Many of them were great. Some were not so good.

[devildog2067]

Originally Posted by Diesel McBadass

Ryan on the other hand, hes legit. wish he was running for prez.

If Ryan were running for president, I would not vote for him. I cannot support someone who is that much of a religious zealot that publicly.

The Republicans need to remember what freedom means, and run a candidate who believes in small government, cutting spending, lowering taxes and otherwise leaving people the hell alone.

[G29Reload]

Originally Posted by Trew2Life

I do not believe Mitt Romney will win this election..

We know, you're a DU troll.

Originally Posted by Trew2Life

Although, the clearly discriminatory and restrictive voter ID laws that have been passed in some key states does give me cause for concern.

No, they don't. Just you being intellectually dishonest in throwing out a red herring.

There's nothing restrictive about showing ID when voting, unless you just want the chance to help out those committing voter fraud, like your commie friends in Chicago, Phil and Balto where its particularly bad, dead people voting, etc.

You have to show your ID when you're

-pulled over by the cops,
-boarding an airplane
-opening a bank account
-buying liquor, etc

So, spare us the bull about "restrictive" ID laws. It just means you can't cheat. You're not fooling anyone.

[devildog2067]

Originally Posted by G29Reload

Then a lot of other things are beyond you too.

If you say so.

She was my bet for President. She was better than her running mate.

Hmm... long-serving legislator who was also a genuine war hero with a reputation for telling the truth, or small-town mayor turned Governor of a state with a smaller population than Columbus, Ohio?

[M&P Shooter]

Obamanation will win and it really doesn't matter because the 2 choices both suck and hate your guns

[devildog2067]

Originally Posted by G29Reload

There's nothing restrictive about showing ID when voting,

I did quite a bit of research about this, because I sincerely hoped there was a reason for this decision.

The legal test (and I'm not a lawyer/expert, so anyone who knows better than I feel free to correct me) has two parts: a) does the law solve a real problem and b) does the law apply unequally to different groups. From what I could tell, voter ID laws fail both parts. A number of studies (done by groups sponsored by both parties) seem to have shown that voter fraud is a statistically insignificant problem, and poor/elderly/young people are less likely to have government ID than other people.

If I understand correctly, if voter fraud was a serious enough problem, the compelling interest of a) could override b), but no one has yet to prove that a) is a serious (statistically speaking) problem. There have only been a handful of cases of voter fraud prosecuted across the country since 2000.

[G29Reload]

Originally Posted by devildog2067

Hmm... long-serving legislator who was also a genuine war hero with a reputation for telling the truth, or small-town mayor turned Governor of a state with a smaller population than Columbus, Ohio?

And a RINO, as opposed to Palin being a conservative. The author of McCain Feingold. Too anti gun.

A guy who made a rep as a fighter and tough guy, who then wouldn't take a swing when it counted.

An idiot who suspended his campaign to go back to DC to sit there in front of the cameras looking clueless.

No thanks.

[G29Reload]

Originally Posted by devildog2067

I did quite a bit of research about this, because I sincerely hoped there was a reason for this decision.

The legal test (and I'm not a lawyer/expert, so anyone who knows better than I feel free to correct me) has two parts: a) does the law solve a real problem and b) does the law apply unequally to different groups. From what I could tell, voter ID laws fail both parts. A number of studies (done by groups sponsored by both parties) seem to have shown that voter fraud is a statistically insignificant problem, and poor/elderly/young people are less likely to have government ID than other people.

If I understand correctly, if voter fraud was a serious enough problem, the compelling interest of a) could override b), but no one has yet to prove that a) is a serious (statistically speaking) problem. There have only been a handful of cases of voter fraud prosecuted across the country since 2000.

What a load of horses#$&.

Voter fraud in Chicago and TX may have thrown the race to Kennedy. It can change an election. So, no there is nothing insignificant about it. It IS a compelling interest. Your cite of "both parties" is without attribution, so I'll count it as nonsense.

Elections should be free and fair. Its not fair if its rife with cheating.

It does not apply unequally. EVERYONE SHOWS ID. Period. No exceptions. Not buying the nonsense about ID's being "unaffordable" either. How in hell can you go thru society and not be able to prove who you are?

Again, you're not

opening a bank account,
driving a car
boarding an airplane
buying a gun
Getting a job!

Without some form of ID.

Its a specious argument and a red herring. A ruse to help those committing voter fraud. Don't piss on my leg and tell me its raining.

[Trew2Life]

Originally Posted by G29Reload

I have yet to hear anyone utter exactly what was so wrong with her. The only thing I ever heard was a bunch of catty tards who seemed to hate her cause she was beautiful.

Upon becoming mayor of Wasilla, she immediately asked the librarian how they could get rid of the 'objectionable' books. 'Objectionable' by whose standards? Sarah Palin's? I do recall there were some book burnings in Nazi Germany.

Palin opposes a woman's right to choose what to do with her own body, opposing the right to an abortion even for rape victims.

Palin believes that Creationism should be taught in public schools, which runs both counter to well-settled evolutionary science, and to the Constitutional separation of church and state.

[devildog2067]

Originally Posted by G29Reload

What a load of horses#$&.

Well, don't blame me for it. I'm not a Supreme Court justice.

Voter fraud in Chicago and TX may have thrown the race to Kennedy. It can change an election. So, no there is nothing insignificant about it. It IS a compelling interest.

OK. Why hasn't anyone proven it then?

I'm not a social scientist, I have no idea how one would go about measuring this. I imagine it can be done, or at least estimated.

Like I said, I'm not a lawyer and I'm not an expert. I was curious about the reasoning behind the ruling and this is what I read. The data seems to indicate that in-person voter fraud is quite rare. Much more fraud happens with absentee ballots, and voter ID laws wouldn't fix that problem.