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09-26-2012, 21:54
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What the heck am I missing here... I was going to the cheaper route... And I'm already up to $170+ without components and this is with a hand press...?????
Am I mistaken with something??? Am I buying too much???? What am I doing wrong here??
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LEE90101 LEE PRIMER POCKET CLEANER $ 2.49
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0.1 Lbs. $ 2.49
LY9816049 49TH EDITION RELOADING HANDBOOK $17.99
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3.2 Lbs. $ 17.99
LEE90965 LEE 4 DIE SET 40 S&W/10MM CARBID $36.99
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1.5 Lbs. $ 36.99
PC050107 ELECTRONIC SCALE 1500 GS $24.99
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1.0 Lbs. $ 24.99
LEE90230 LEE AUTO PRIME $15.99
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0.7 Lbs. $ 15.99
LEE90600 BREECH QUICK LOCK CHANGE BUSHING $ 6.49
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0.3 Lbs. $12.98
PC050080 DIGITAL CALIPER $20.31
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0.7 Lbs. $ 20.31
LEE90180 BREECH LOCK HAND PRESS KIT $39.99
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2.9 Lbs. $ 39.99
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09-26-2012, 22:09
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I'll save you $2.50. You don't need a primer pocket cleaner.
If you want to go the electronic scale route, then you'll need to spend money. At least $100. A $25 electronic scale is not dependable enough for me. Otherwise go with a decent beam scale.
Aside from that, this should get you going.
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09-26-2012, 22:13
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My first press was the small Lee 25 dollar bench model. Its still mounted nest to my other presses and still gets used.
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09-26-2012, 22:27
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You don't need cheap dig calipers, the cheaper dial are better. There are no cheap/good dig scales. Cut corners on other stuff, but you need a reliable/accurate method for measuring powder. The Dillon beam is the best cheaper beam scale IMO. A $25 dig scale isn't even a good paper weight.
SUre it's going to cost you some $$, figure a decent ss press setup or Lee Classic Turret, right around $300. You'll pay for all of it in less than 8m if you only shoot 400rds of 9mm/m. Of course, anything less than a LCT is going to cost you a ton of time.
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Last edited by fredj338; 09-26-2012 at 22:27..
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09-26-2012, 23:00
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In my view, you left out the Lee Taper Crimp Die. It is a lot better solution than the Lee Factory Crimp Die in the 4 die set. So, buy a 3 die set and add the taper crimp die.
Do not buy any digital scale that costs less than $100. Particularly for the cartridges you plan to load, the least little bit of error can result in a Kaboom!
If you aren't shooting more than 200 rounds per month (a box a week), you probably shouldn't get into reloading. That is only about $80 worth of ammo and the savings is only going to be about $40. Hardly worth the effort and with your equipment list, it will be a LOT of effort.
OTOH, if you are shooting 500 rounds per month, that's about $200/month and the savings will be about $100/mo. Looking at that over a year, the savings will total around $1200. That much money is worth saving! But it is also enough to pay back the cost of much better equipment.
Good reloading equipment has a resale value of probably around 75%. Dillon stuff will bring in 80-85% because of the name and the 'forever' guarantee. If you don't like reloading, just post your equipment list on the bulletin board at your range. Someone will be looking for it!
Take a longer view...
Richard
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Last edited by F106 Fan; 09-27-2012 at 08:37..
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09-27-2012, 17:42
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Although I may get flamed... I did it.. I bought all the stuff.... I didn't buy bullets, powder or primers yet because I bought the book and I figured it would tell me what to buy...
My wife is predicting that in 6 months or less ill have a bench setup 
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09-27-2012, 18:13
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Welcome to the addiction of reloading! 
Richard
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09-27-2012, 18:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RYT 2BER
Although I may get flamed... I did it.. I bought all the stuff.... I didn't buy bullets, powder or primers yet because I bought the book and I figured it would tell me what to buy...
My wife is predicting that in 6 months or less ill have a bench setup |
I am going to bet she is right.  At least you got started. Congrats and welcome to reloading.
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09-27-2012, 18:26
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Wait till you start getting bullet shipments all the time. Then go from bench to needing a room. Thinking that 2500 rounds of 9mm loaded is running low. You are headed down a path that is great. I just spent 200 on more reloading stuff I " needed" when all I really needed was a set of dies for my 270rem.
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09-27-2012, 18:27
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Thanks for all the advice.... I know it might not have been perfect but here was the final order:
PH393939 UNIVERSAL RELOADING TRAY $5.99 1 $5.99
LEE90101 LEE PRIMER POCKET CLEANER $2.49 1 $2.49
LEE90100 LEE IMP. POWDER MEASURE KIT $7.99 1 $7.99
PH836017 BULLET PULLER $12.99 1 $12.99
LY9816049 49TH EDITION RELOADING HANDBOOK $17.99 1 $17.99
LEE90965 LEE 4 DIE SET 40 S&W/10MM CARBID $36.99 1 $36.99
PH205205 DS-750 DIGITAL RELOADING SCALE $23.99 1 $23.99
LEE90230 LEE AUTO PRIME $15.99 1 $15.99
PH672060 ECONOMY ELECTRONIC CALIPER $20.99 1 $20.99
LEE90600 BREECH QUICK LOCK CHANGE BUSHING $6.49 2 $12.98
LEE90180 BREECH LOCK HAND PRESS KIT $39.99 1 $39.99
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09-27-2012, 19:12
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Even with carbide dies, I think you are going to want to lube the cases. I have been using Hornady One Shot for about a year and it works very well. It doesn't have to be removed from the loaded rounds.
Richard
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09-27-2012, 20:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by F106 Fan
Even with carbide dies, I think you are going to want to lube the cases. I have been using Hornady One Shot for about a year and it works very well. It doesn't have to be removed from the loaded rounds.
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Curious about why to lube cases? I never lube pistol cases.
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09-27-2012, 20:40
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I'm sure you're right and ill get there sooner than later... Just couldn't swing that much for scale yet... I'll load light to avoid any problems, but I'll step up to something more appropriate like you've described when getting more "aggresive" with charges.
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09-27-2012, 20:40
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You don't take advice very well and bought a bunch of stuff that really isn't going to serve you well in the long term or that you don't even need. Pretty much everything but the press and the manual and maybe the powder measure.
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Converting Hornady owners to Dillon
one owner at a time.
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09-27-2012, 20:47
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Originally Posted by Colorado4Wheel
You don't take advice very well and bought a bunch of stuff that really isn't going to serve you well in the long term or that you don't even need. Pretty much everything but the press and the manual and maybe the powder measure.
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Understood. I considered things are did lots of Internet reading... Many people have started out with stuff like this as I've observed on the Internet, and they appear to be pleased. Of course it's shoestring way to go, but for me it was a way to give it a whirl. If I really like it and find it to be financially beneficial for me, I'll step up the setup and chalk some of it up to education... The dies and such are usable if I eventually choose to go to a Turret press and such so really the scale is probably the biggest waste at worst.
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09-27-2012, 20:52
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Good luck, keep us posted. Keep in mind advice is free, but knowledge is priceless. Take advantage of those that know more than you. That goes for everything in life.
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09-27-2012, 21:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Taterhead
Curious about why to lube cases? I never lube pistol cases.
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With carbide dies it is optional on a press with a lot of mechanical advantage. The OP is using a little hand press.
Even on a large press, the entire process is smoother with the lube. I loaded pistol for a lot of years without lube but after I started using Hornady One Shot, I won't be doing it any more.
The thing about HOS is that it is an aerosol spray and it isn't like the RCBS lube that came with my first press. That stuff was sticky and generally unpleasant to use. HOS is more like spray lanolin.
There is no need to remove it from the completed round. Just shoot 'em.
Richard
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09-27-2012, 21:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by F106 Fan
With carbide dies it is optional on a press with a lot of mechanical advantage. The OP is using a little hand press.
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Richard
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Great point there, actually.
Thanks.
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09-27-2012, 21:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RYT 2BER
I'm sure you're right and ill get there sooner than later... Just couldn't swing that much for scale yet... I'll load light to avoid any problems, but I'll step up to something more appropriate like you've described when getting more "aggresive" with charges. |
How are you going to know you are loading light?
We just went through this with another new user:
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthre...m#post19377225
Start at page 4
At the very minimum you need a set of RCBS Check Weights to validate the scale.
It's not my business how you reload so there's no reason for me to rant on about the scale. So, I won't...
But you have been warned by others. It would be best if you paid attention.
Richard
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09-28-2012, 07:03
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Other then the dies, if you start actual producing ammo regularly, you won't use any of that stuff for pistol in the future.
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Converting Hornady owners to Dillon
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09-28-2012, 08:18
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Originally Posted by F106 Fan
How are you going to know you are loading light?
We just went through this with another new user:
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthre...m#post19377225
Start at page 4
At the very minimum you need a set of RCBS Check Weights to validate the scale.
It's not my business how you reload so there's no reason for me to rant on about the scale. So, I won't...
But you have been warned by others. It would be best if you paid attention.
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The scale is a Frankford Arsenal and it comes with a calibration weight
Furthermore, the scale gets excellent reviews:
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/175...24BrandPopProd
Thats literally hundreds of reviewers,the majority of which seem to be very pleased. Doesnt make it a sure thing, but again, just because it isnt very expensive doesnt mean its a disaster either...
With all due respect, if it was that bad, you'd be hearing about people like this blowing up and kb'ing all over the place.
I go to ranges all the time... Ive yet to see a kb in person, and Ive yet to have anyone Ive ever shot with ever report it. Its something Ive only seen in pictures on the internet. Again, that doesnt mean it cant happen but with all due respect, you guys are describing it like its a sure thing with this scale.
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09-28-2012, 08:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RYT 2BER
The scale is a Frankford Arsenal and it comes with a calibration weight
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Every digital scale comes with a 'calibration' weight. For many scales, the calibration weight is somewhere near the end of the range. This scale goes to 750 grains so I would expect the calibration weight to be about 100 times larger than what would actually be measured.
Check weights, OTOH, are much closer to powder charge weights. If I am measuring a 42.2 gr charge, I want a 50 gr check weight. With a combination of smaller weights, I could also set the check weight to 40.0 gr.
http://www.midwayusa.com/find?userSe...+check+weights
A calibration weight is necessary to check the range of the scale but it provides no assurance that the scale reads correctly in the area of interest.
Your choice on the scale. Did you read the part where one user pointed out that it can't be used to trickle charge?
And yes, when I was loading a few rifle rounds yesterday, I did indeed use a check weight of 50 gr on my RCBS ChargeMaster and the Dillon D-Terminator I use as a second check. I want the charge to be as consistent as possible with a digital scale. The goal is to put all the shiny bullets in the same hole.
Richard
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09-28-2012, 09:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RYT 2BER
Thanks for all the advice.... I know it might not have been perfect but here was the final order:
PH393939 UNIVERSAL RELOADING TRAY $5.99 1 $5.99
LEE90101 LEE PRIMER POCKET CLEANER $2.49 1 $2.49
LEE90100 LEE IMP. POWDER MEASURE KIT $7.99 1 $7.99
PH836017 BULLET PULLER $12.99 1 $12.99
LY9816049 49TH EDITION RELOADING HANDBOOK $17.99 1 $17.99
LEE90965 LEE 4 DIE SET 40 S&W/10MM CARBID $36.99 1 $36.99
PH205205 DS-750 DIGITAL RELOADING SCALE $23.99 1 $23.99
LEE90230 LEE AUTO PRIME $15.99 1 $15.99
PH672060 ECONOMY ELECTRONIC CALIPER $20.99 1 $20.99
LEE90600 BREECH QUICK LOCK CHANGE BUSHING $6.49 2 $12.98
LEE90180 BREECH LOCK HAND PRESS KIT $39.99 1 $39.99
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You will also need caliber specific shell holders for the Lee auto prime. The shell holder that come with the dies will not work.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/412...nd-w-10mm-auto
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09-28-2012, 09:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by F106 Fan
Your choice on the scale. Did you read the part where one user pointed out that it can't be used to trickle charge?
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Yes but you guys said trickling was bad for pistols so my plan was to use a dipper on the scale to get close and then just fine tune at that point..
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