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Old 09-23-2012, 18:28   #201
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I would say that the MSM is working hard to get four more years for Obama.
Republicans are going to vote Republican regardless. The Moderate vote is what is important in this election.
If telling the truth about the 47% makes any difference, it shows Romney and Ryan are serious about getting our fiscal house in order. I think many undecided people see that much more responcable than a President who has no budget and no foreign policy.
The MSM doesn't have to really do much work. Romney provides his own material. These aren't 'gotcha' questions.
The Rights misjudgement is in who they believe make up the 47%. Do you think Romney is just referring to those on Food Assistance and welfare programs? There's a lot of retirees, students, elderly and hard working people who don't have a federal income tax liability. A lot of moderates do not appreciate being labled a victim and described as a social parasite.
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Old 09-23-2012, 18:48   #202
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The MSM doesn't have to really do much work. Romney provides his own material. These aren't 'gotcha' questions.
The Rights misjudgement is in who they believe make up the 47%. Do you think Romney is just referring to those on Food Assistance and welfare programs? There's a lot of retirees, students, elderly and hard working people who don't have a federal income tax liability. A lot of moderates do not appreciate being labled a victim and described as a social parasite.
I think hardworking Americans can see who the 47% are and they are getting a bit tired of it.
Mitt's words can be secretly taped to attain a "Gotcha" moment, but in the end we are being scammed by a lot of folks who take advantage of the system. I think most people see that and want it fixed.
In the shape we are currently in, we cannot affoard to go on another four years without a budget or some serious tax reforms.
I dont think many honest people heard 47% and thought, "Yep, he's talking about me."
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This thread is 100% proof that rampant racism in the United States will always exist.

Smh....it's 2012 not 1912.
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Old 09-23-2012, 19:56   #204
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This thread is 100% proof that rampant racism in the United States will always exist.

Smh....it's 2012 not 1912.
Racism is alive and well in every part of the country, both North and South, East and West...however, that really doesn't mean anything when it comes to Obama ruining the country. I don't like Obama or Romney and I'm not voting for either one of them regardless of what they say/said.

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Old 09-23-2012, 19:56   #205
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I think hardworking Americans can see who the 47% are and they are getting a bit tired of it.
Mitt's words can be secretly taped to attain a "Gotcha" moment, but in the end we are being scammed by a lot of folks who take advantage of the system. I think most people see that and want it fixed.
In the shape we are currently in, we cannot affoard to go on another four years without a budget or some serious tax reforms.
I dont think many honest people heard 47% and thought, "Yep, he's talking about me."
You're right about one thing. "In the end we are being scammed by a lot of folks who take advantage of the system":
The poor who scam us for food, clothing and shelter.
The rich who scam us for tax breaks, loopholes and offshore accounts, and the politicians who play both ends against each other.

But you're wrong about something else. Most moderates don't mind feeding the hungry, clothing the naked and housing the homeless. What all Americans should object to is the hypocrisy of the wealthy who take advantage of tax loopholes, shelters and offshore accounts - at the expense of all taxpayers - and complain about the least among us who struggle to survive.
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Old 09-23-2012, 20:23   #206
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You're right about one thing. "In the end we are being scammed by a lot of folks who take advantage of the system":
The poor who scam us for food, clothing and shelter.
The rich who scam us for tax breaks, loopholes and offshore accounts, and the politicians who play both ends against each other.

But you're wrong about something else. Most moderates don't mind feeding the hungry, clothing the naked and housing the homeless. What all Americans should object to is the hypocrisy of the wealthy who take advantage of tax loopholes, shelters and offshore accounts - at the expense of all taxpayers - and complain about the least among us who struggle to survive.
You can be poor, I have been poor and you can quit thinking poor and build a life for yourself.
You can still better yourself in this country, how many times do you see an immigrent come here with nothing but a will to work and to achieve and
end up a small business owner?
What many of that 47% have lost is the backbone it takes for hardwork and self improvement.
I dont care what any Man does with his money, or where he sends it to work for him and his family. Jealousy and envy do not assist the poor, it only cripples them from trying to achieve. The wedge being driven between the classes helps no one.
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Old 09-24-2012, 05:46   #207
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Really?

You think there's enough hardcore conservatives out there to carry Mitt to a victory? I hope you're right because most of the moderates are going to shy away from him after this!
Thought for a minute that I was reading posts on MSNBC or HuffPo, the stupidity of the American electorate, which is almost eager to have the Main stream media tell them what to think, is appalling and offensive to anyone with an active braincell!
The left wing media, which is actually just an extension of the Obama regime's ministry of propaganda is in full swing, and the weak minded public who can't think beyond the last media matters sound bite, are swallowing the garbage!
If the American public are willing to believe the obvious lies of the Obama campaign, we will deserve the pathetic governance we get !
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Old 09-24-2012, 10:55   #208
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This thread is 100% proof that rampant racism in the United States will always exist.

Smh....it's 2012 not 1912.
+1

Especially the racism, when its assumed that the 47% comment is referring to African American, even though according to the 2010 if you add up ALL minorities they only make up 37% of the US population.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/thene...ation-20120517

And the racism when politicans and pundits say voter ID laws hurt African Americans. Like somehow black people have an inability to drive or get another form of photo ID.

Democrats are pretty racist when you think about it.

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The rich who scam us for tax breaks, loopholes and offshore accounts, and the politicians who play both ends against each other.
Are you claiming that you have never taken the standard deduction, house interest deduction, charitable giving deduction, child tax credit, etc etc etc? If you have taken these tax loopholes, you must be a scammer.
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You're right about one thing. "In the end we are being scammed by a lot of folks who take advantage of the system":
The poor who scam us for food, clothing and shelter.
The rich who scam us for tax breaks, loopholes and offshore accounts, and the politicians who play both ends against each other.

But you're wrong about something else. Most moderates don't mind feeding the hungry, clothing the naked and housing the homeless. What all Americans should object to is the hypocrisy of the wealthy who take advantage of tax loopholes, shelters and offshore accounts - at the expense of all taxpayers - and complain about the least among us who struggle to survive.
You mean like Obama Pal Tony Rezko Sentenced to 10.5 Years in Federal Prison.
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You mean like Obama Pal Tony Rezko Sentenced to 10.5 Years in Federal Prison.
I don't think the Obama supporters like to talk about Rezko too much.

That whole Chicago poltical machine thing, and how Obama used them to get ahead, while never reciprocating with the normal poltical deals and corruption expected of members, kind of befuddles them.
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Old 09-24-2012, 14:36   #212
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Obama is a shoe in...The GOP gave us an idiot to vote for. The sad part is Obama is not worth a darn too.
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I'd vote for Elmer Fudd over a socialist/communist/statist or whatever you want to call Pres. Obama. I don't think our Republic can last another 4 years under him. Romney wouldn't be my first choice, but I'm willing to give him a chance. Obama even makes Bush look good.


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Old 09-24-2012, 15:07   #214
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But you're wrong about something else. Most moderates don't mind feeding the hungry, clothing the naked and housing the homeless.
It's a question of perspective. From where you stand, the people I consider left-wing communist hippes look more like "moderates."
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What all Americans should object to is the hypocrisy of the wealthy who take advantage of tax loopholes, shelters and offshore accounts - at the expense of all taxpayers - and complain about the least among us who struggle to survive.
In other words, people who go to the trouble and expense of following the laws we pass exactly the way they are written. That is a foolish complaint. Do you send in extra money when you pay your taxes or decline to take your deductions because America needs the money?
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There are cheaters, scammers and mouchers at both ends of the economic ladder. People aren't poor because they think poor is fun. I have worked all my life and served in the military. I have contributed to the system for 30 years+ so, yeah .. I do feel like I'm due something.
So, unless '47%' is Right wing code for, "We don't mean you. We mean the other guy", Mitt Romney doesn't care about me and I'm a victim. Good luck running with that.
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There are cheaters, scammers and mouchers at both ends of the economic ladder. People aren't poor because they think poor is fun. I have worked all my life and served in the military. [B]I have contributed to the system for 30 years+ so, yeah .. I do feel like I'm due something. [\b]
So, unless '47%' is Right wing code for, "We don't mean you. We mean the other guy", Mitt Romney doesn't care about me and I'm a victim. Good luck running with that.
Curious....

What, exactly, do I "owe" you?
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Curious....

What, exactly, do I "owe" you?
"You" don't owe me a thing, but I am 'owed' for 30+ years of Social Security and Medicare payments or is that part of the needy/entitlement victims that Mitt Romney discards.
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Obama is a shoe in...The GOP gave us an idiot to vote for. The sad part is Obama is not worth a darn too.
You are probably right. If I had to bet right now, my money says Obama wins his 2nd term...period.

But, it's the American voters fault. If they can't put up a better candidate than Romney to get us out of this rut, we deserve 4 more years of Obama.


Maybe in 2016 the voters will have their heads out of their asses and nominate someone that will actually make a difference instead of blow hot air.
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"You" don't owe me a thing, but I am 'owed' for 30+ years of Social Security and Medicare payments or is that part of the needy/entitlement victims that Mitt Romney discards.
Social Security benefits are not the same as Welfare benefits. I didn't take the 47% to mean people like you. But that maybe where the problem is for Mitt - the media wants people like you to think you are part of that 47%.
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I thought that was monica lewinskys job.
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"You" don't owe me a thing, but I am 'owed' for 30+ years of Social Security and Medicare payments or is that part of the needy/entitlement victims that Mitt Romney discards.
Hey, I'm paying in to SS and Medicare and I am 99.99% certain that I will never see a dime of that back in any way, shape, or form. Welcome to my world.
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"You" don't owe me a thing, but I am 'owed' for 30+ years of Social Security and Medicare payments or is that part of the needy/entitlement victims that Mitt Romney discards.
And where do you think that money is coming from?
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There are cheaters, scammers and mouchers at both ends of the economic ladder. People aren't poor because they think poor is fun. I have worked all my life and served in the military. I have contributed to the system for 30 years+ so, yeah .. I do feel like I'm due something.
So, unless '47%' is Right wing code for, "We don't mean you. We mean the other guy", Mitt Romney doesn't care about me and I'm a victim. Good luck running with that.
You realize the "47%" referred to people who were going to vote Obama, no matter what, and who were doing so mainly because they live off of government handouts, right?

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"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it -- that that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. - Mitt Romney
You're saying that you are one of those people? Because those people are POS's and worth a lot less to most of us than they are to Romney.

Or did some liberal tell you he talked about the bottom 47% economically, and you failed to check and see if you were being lied to? (not to mention, if you work, you probably aren't part of that 47% either).


Another interesting thing I found while searching for the exact Romney quote is that the Obama team has already made a campaign commercial out of it, where they take it out of context (talking about the need to convince people to vote for him) and try to imply that he means he doesn't care about what happens to that 47% as a potential president. I guess they are so routinely dishonest, that's probably the truth, by an Obama/Dem standard.
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On the way home tonight I heard that Mitt Romney had given 4 million in donations to charity.
$4,000,000 in one year.




Joe Biden less than $4000,.......ughhhhh yeah;,,,,,thats ummmmmm $4K over ten years. Like a One hundred and one cents a day folks.
They dont help the poor because they are so generous with their own money, why be generous with my tax dollars?







because it buys votes!

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Exactly who are Romney's 47%?

Mitt Romney described the 47% in 3 distinct groups:

Those who pay no federal income tax? Yep. That's me. I'm part of the vast majority who have below average earnings; one of the 9 out of 10 who earn less than $50K

People who get federal benefits? Yep. That's me, too. I believe I am entitled to health care and 'you name it'. I've been contributing to health care and 'you name it' for 30+ years.

Likely Obama Voters? Three for 3. Like me, there are many other Obama supporters who may have supported BHO in '08 but may think he's not the man for the job in '12. Well, Mitt Romney proved he's not interested in them either.

47% is a lot of people, about 30 million voters. A small percentage of them receive food stamps (about 16%). An even smaller number of them (about 2%) are actual fraud or abuse.

Mitt Romney choose to denegrate 29.4 Million people for the actions of 600 thousand.
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